Even the best of us need to beware
- demer03
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Even the best of us need to beware
The last Sharkhunter I bought and have been enjoying was being sacrificed for the Tgraph. A buddy who was considering buying it called into question the number “3” on the 300T. In the last 24 hours I’ve learned there are reproduction Sharkhunter dials in circulation and I have one. It’s very good, but on side by side there is no doubt.
I even had it sold and had to back out given this revelation.
Be careful boys n girls. It’s too easy today.
Mine:
Well known website:
And one I had four years ago that I am calling bad:
I even had it sold and had to back out given this revelation.
Be careful boys n girls. It’s too easy today.
Mine:
Well known website:
And one I had four years ago that I am calling bad:
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Re: Even the best of us need to beware
Holy crap, I just ran upstairs to check the Doxas for the flat T. Fortunately all is well.
Thanks for the heads up. There must be a lot of nervous Doxa fans who are waiting to check.
Thanks for the heads up. There must be a lot of nervous Doxa fans who are waiting to check.
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Re: Even the best of us need to beware
This sucks. Sorry Mike.
Re: Even the best of us need to beware
F%^&*king sucks.
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I bought a cheap watch from a crazy man
Floating down canal
It doesn't use numbers or moving hands
It always just says now
Now you may be thinking that I was had
But this watch is never wrong
And If I have trouble the warranty said
Breathe In, Breathe Out, Move On
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-- Eric Cartman
“To absent friends, lost loves, old gods, and the season of mists; and may each and every one of us always give the devil his due.”
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman
I bought a cheap watch from a crazy man
Floating down canal
It doesn't use numbers or moving hands
It always just says now
Now you may be thinking that I was had
But this watch is never wrong
And If I have trouble the warranty said
Breathe In, Breathe Out, Move On
- Jimmy Buffett
Re: Even the best of us need to beware
That sucks. I hope the watch is still worth something even with the repro dial.
I'm at the point where I'll take a pass on vintage. Just too many landmines out there, and too many less than scrupulous folks willing to take advantage.
I'm at the point where I'll take a pass on vintage. Just too many landmines out there, and too many less than scrupulous folks willing to take advantage.
- demer03
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Re: Even the best of us need to beware
I bought it from a collector friend and they are taking it back. They missed it too, but he has the parts to correct the problem. Whew.
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That's good to hear. I can see stuff like this getting passed through several innocent buyers before anyone realizes that there's something wrong.
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I wonder if Doxa had service dials back then? It is not unheard of.
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- demer03
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Who knows. With DOXA’s lack of records from that time we will never know. After the fake black lung dial from last week on eBay and an exposed thread on that well known rep forum, my money is on rep dial.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:22 pmI wonder if Doxa had service dials back then? It is not unheard of.
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the reason why i say that is the 3rd one you posted matches the 2nd one almost identically but the 3 does not. the 1st none of the wording or letters match.demer03 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:23 amWho knows. With DOXA’s lack of records from that time we will never know. After the fake black lung dial from last week on eBay and an exposed thread on that well known rep forum, my money is on rep dial.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:22 pmI wonder if Doxa had service dials back then? It is not unheard of.
what ebay black lung are you talking about?
the lack of records is also what makes rolex vintage so wishy-washy for me. you have to rely on the hive mind to tell you if it is legit or not.
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Last week a guy listed a black lung for sale on eBay. Turns out there was a whole thread on that rep forum about the making of a dial for that watch. It was the exact same one. The guy was trying to sell it as a black lung, when it was a run-of-the-mill T that had a fake dial in it. A friend of mine ended up buying it not knowing what he was doing. Paid $3800 for it… Thankfully he was able to undo the deal through PayPal.
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And with your comment on Rolex, spot on. I remember being told I had a fake dial in my 5513. The guy bought it from here locally worked at Rolex in Switzerland and Dallas. He would always laugh saying these Internet experts have no idea about the parts that were put into these watches back in the 60s and 70s. Nothing was wasted. People have no clue about how it really worked.
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Re: Even the best of us need to beware
Question: Is the only difference between what I'll call a base level T (since I don't know the Doxa lingo) versus the Black Lung version only the dial difference?demer03 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:30 amLast week a guy listed a black lung for sale on eBay. Turns out there was a whole thread on that rep forum about the making of a dial for that watch. It was the exact same one. The guy was trying to sell it as a black lung, when it was a run-of-the-mill T that had a fake dial in it. A friend of mine ended up buying it not knowing what he was doing. Paid $3800 for it… Thankfully he was able to undo the deal through PayPal.
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Oh, no. Apples and oranges. Black lung is in a No T thin case, domed plexiglass crystal, blacked out second hand, and each black lung “should “ be hand numbered on the back lug to name a few. This was done at US Divers when received from Switzerland.WatchOut63 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:57 amQuestion: Is the only difference between what I'll call a base level T (since I don't know the Doxa lingo) versus the Black Lung version only the dial difference?demer03 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:30 amLast week a guy listed a black lung for sale on eBay. Turns out there was a whole thread on that rep forum about the making of a dial for that watch. It was the exact same one. The guy was trying to sell it as a black lung, when it was a run-of-the-mill T that had a fake dial in it. A friend of mine ended up buying it not knowing what he was doing. Paid $3800 for it… Thankfully he was able to undo the deal through PayPal.
My buddy thought he’d put the dial guts in a
No T case and make a killing. He learned a lesson.
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Aha, thanks for the explanation. I figured there had to be more than just a different dial for the Black lung version.demer03 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:32 amOh, no. Apples and oranges. Black lung is in a No T thin case, domed plexiglass crystal, blacked out second hand, and each black lung “should “ be hand numbered on the back lug to name a few. This was done at US Divers when received from Switzerland.WatchOut63 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:57 amQuestion: Is the only difference between what I'll call a base level T (since I don't know the Doxa lingo) versus the Black Lung version only the dial difference?demer03 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:30 amLast week a guy listed a black lung for sale on eBay. Turns out there was a whole thread on that rep forum about the making of a dial for that watch. It was the exact same one. The guy was trying to sell it as a black lung, when it was a run-of-the-mill T that had a fake dial in it. A friend of mine ended up buying it not knowing what he was doing. Paid $3800 for it… Thankfully he was able to undo the deal through PayPal.
My buddy thought he’d put the dial guts in a
No T case and make a killing. He learned a lesson.
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300 No T case
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So true about being careful--Glad you were able to undo the deal Mike...
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The fake dials he made in that thread had a different 3 than the one you posted. Hell the ones he made look great imo. I really hate to say that though.demer03 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:29 amTrigger warning
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They don't have any idea. Their freaking hive mind or fake internet knowledge can make or break a watch sell. That shit is dangerous. I have had way too many customers try to say "I read online". GTFOH with that nonsense.demer03 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:32 amAnd with your comment on Rolex, spot on. I remember being told I had a fake dial in my 5513. The guy bought it from here locally worked at Rolex in Switzerland and Dallas. He would always laugh saying these Internet experts have no idea about the parts that were put into these watches back in the 60s and 70s. Nothing was wasted. People have no clue about how it really worked.
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They are getting better and better. The black lung logo wasn’t quite right, but to the untrained eye....toxicavenger wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:10 pmThe fake dials he made in that thread had a different 3 than the one you posted. Hell the ones he made look great imo. I really hate to say that though.demer03 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:29 amTrigger warning
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/ ... -obsession
Some people will lose some money out there.
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even the word Doxa looks off on the one you just bought. i bet there have been some redials done along the way as a necessity due to a damaged watch and no parts being available. if you have ever dealt with kirk's redial they do some weird ass work.
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i need to follow this up. kirk's dial fixed a seiko dial for me. it took 6 months for it to get it done, and they never returned a phone call or email. it shows up with the "swiss made" label on the bottom of the dial. true story. i was livid to say the least.
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Wow
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