6105s

[demer03]

Contemplating picking one up.

Why the crazy variance in prices?

What does proof-proof mean?

Let’er rip

[rockmastermike]

Contemplating picking one up.

Why the crazy variance in prices?

What does proof-proof mean?

Let’er rip

proof - proof came before the days of politicly correct "resist" and usually are more collectable as such.

also slight movement variations exist between the 6105A vs 6105B, the latter featuring a quick set date and hacking movement.

and of course the difference in case shape between the more tonneau shaped 6105-8000 vs the Capt Willard 6105-8110

that's all I have.....I'm sure the more well versed will chime in shortly

[demer03]

Contemplating picking one up.

Why the crazy variance in prices?

What does proof-proof mean?

Let’er rip

proof - proof came before the days of politicly correct "resist" and usually are more collectable as such.

also slight movement variations exist between the 6105A vs 6105B, the latter featuring a quick set date and hacking movement.

and of course the difference in case shape between the more tonneau shaped 6105-8000 vs the Capt Willard 6105-8110

that's all I have.....I'm sure the more well versed will chime in shortly

Thanks. Now send me what I want hint hint

[toxicavenger]

The crazy prices are due to the hype generating by collectors/forums/blogs etc. Most of it not all of them had crown gasket issues. So the chrome lume pod surrounds are usually deteriorated. Only a few guys can actually change out the crown gaskets, they were not made to be changed. They were a throw away part. The other issue is the mainspring is not made to be serviced, so very guys can do this. I actually like the 8000 model the best, but the 8110 has more pull in the resale market. The "proof-proof" vs "resist" is just an age indicator based on dial labeling. The proof is older.

[demer03]

The crazy prices are due to the hype generating by collectors/forums/blogs etc. Most of it not all of them had crown gasket issues. So the chrome lume pod surrounds are usually deteriorated. Only a few guys can actually change out the crown gaskets, they were not made to be changed. They were a throw away part. The other issue is the mainspring is not made to be serviced, so very guys can do this. I actually like the 8000 model the best, but the 8110 has more pull in the resale market. The "proof-proof" vs "resist" is just an age indicator based on dial labeling. The proof is older.

Very helpful. Thank you

[toxicavenger]

The crazy prices are due to the hype generating by collectors/forums/blogs etc. Most of it not all of them had crown gasket issues. So the chrome lume pod surrounds are usually deteriorated. Only a few guys can actually change out the crown gaskets, they were not made to be changed. They were a throw away part. The other issue is the mainspring is not made to be serviced, so very guys can do this. I actually like the 8000 model the best, but the 8110 has more pull in the resale market. The "proof-proof" vs "resist" is just an age indicator based on dial labeling. The proof is older.

Very helpful. Thank you

Good luck. It’s a mne field out there.

[Emeister]

What does proof-proof mean?

Long term lurker, first time poster.*
Proof-proof means that it says Waterproof on the dial and also on the caseback.
If you were so inclined you should be able to collect:
Proof-proof
Proof-resist
Resist-proof
And Resist-resist
In both 8000 and 8110 versions (I believe).

These were the first watches I got into around 2010. Back then 6105's with aftermarket/(fake) dials regularly sold for more than genuine ones. That's just what (some) people liked the look of.
Proper dials with crisp squared lume surrounds are a thing of beauty.
Deep dive into the world of bezel inserts, crowns, hands and even the variety of original crystals.
Same as Terry, I actually prefer the look of the 8000/8009 over the 8110/8119 but they don't have a click bezel, its just a smooth rotation.

*I'd better pull my finger out and do a proper intro now.

[r.palace]

What does proof-proof mean?

Long term lurker, first time poster.*
Proof-proof means that it says Waterproof on the dial and also on the caseback.
If you were so inclined you should be able to collect:
Proof-proof
Proof-resist
Resist-proof
And Resist-resist
In both 8000 and 8110 versions (I believe).

These were the first watches I got into around 2010. Back then 6105's with aftermarket/(fake) dials regularly sold for more than genuine ones. That's just what (some) people liked the look of.
Proper dials with crisp squared lume surrounds are a thing of beauty.
Deep dive into the world of bezel inserts, crowns, hands and even the variety of original crystals.
Same as Terry, I actually prefer the look of the 8000/8009 over the 8110/8119 but they don't have a click bezel, its just a smooth rotation.

*I'd better pull my finger out and do a proper intro now.

Solid first post.

[bshappy]

The other guys already covered the facts so I'll just leave a word of caution. The market is littered with franken watches with aftermarket parts. Dials, bezels, hands, date wheels, you name it.

[unsub073]

Here is one for sale and some more history of it. I have no clue is the price is good or not. This site does seem to get some cool looking vintage Seiko's

https://www.dcvintagewatches.com/produc ... dive-watch

[sierra11b]

the potential pitfalls of the 6105 scared me off toward the 6306/6309. While they're not immune to issues, I found it a bit easier and cheaper.

Even got a bit lucky in finding a couple local working donor 6309s off facebook market with good crown/stems/bezels. My son should be gtg for life unless he sells them all the second i die.

[demer03]

the potential pitfalls of the 6105 scared me off toward the 6306/6309. While they're not immune to issues either I found it a bit easier and cheaper. Even got a bit lucky in finding a couple local donor 6309s off facebook market

Agree…I’m temporarily scratching the itch cheaply.



I know it’s not the “same”, but it works for now.

[toxicavenger]

the potential pitfalls of the 6105 scared me off toward the 6306/6309. While they're not immune to issues either I found it a bit easier and cheaper. Even got a bit lucky in finding a couple local donor 6309s off facebook market

Agree…I’m temporarily scratching the itch cheaply.



I know it’s not the “same”, but it works for now.

Function wise the 6309 is a way better buy imo.

[toxicavenger]

Here is one for sale and some more history of it. I have no clue is the price is good or not. This site does seem to get some cool looking vintage Seiko's

https://www.dcvintagewatches.com/produc ... dive-watch

The owner of that site is a really good dude who knows Seiko's. But the prices on 6105's are ludicrous imo. At the most it is a good 5-800 watch.

[Morethan1]

Deals are still out there. https://www.reddit.com/r/Watchexchange/ ... from_1977/