Shogun vs MM300

[toxicavenger]

For me to get the bracelet to fit right with the clasp in the center or my wrist I had to install 4 links on one side and 6 on the other. Also if the clasp i sto thick for someone the Shogun clasp will work on it.

The reason the MM works for me is becasue the case actually bevels in as progesses down the side to the back of the watch. So the actual real estate that the back of watch takes up on my wrist is around 38mm. If the sides of the case were flat and not beveled then it would wear way to big for me.

Now the MM wear top heavy on a shitty strap or Nato. It works best on a Time Factors Retro (with fat ends) or bracelet when I wear it. It is my daily wearer.

If most watches this size had a case design like this then i could wear more 42mm watches. But they don't so they all sit up high off of my wrist.

The only watch I have ever owned that seemed like it had a dwarf dial was a Doxa 600t.

I've found it usually took two more links on the 12 side with that clasp. I did that with both the Tuna and Sumo with MM clasp. I may just take a swing at the MM when I get the chance.

I'm trying to decide if I want to take a chance on the more expensive MM300 (which I like better), or the cheaper SBBN015 (which I suspect has a high likelihood of fitting). I wish that Seiko would just do a small update on the MM300 and give it a Tuna style bracelet - oddly, it seems like the cheaper watch has the better bracelet.

Between the two, the Tuna is the better watch for me. I'm not knocking the Mm300 at all because I think it's a great watch at a great price, but the Tuna fits my wrist much better, has excellent fit and finish, and I enjoy a really well done quartz watch which the Tuna is.

You were asking about the minimum short length on the Tuna and as far as I can tell every link looks like it can come out. The links are shorter and coupled with the mm300 clasp it's super easy to get a great fit.

I have to agree with you Matt, besides the MM the 015 is one of my top watches ever owned.

[toxicavenger]

this why the MM case works for allot of guys with small wrist, the actual part of the case that actually lays on the wrist is smaller and flatter than most watches of this size.

[JP Chestnut]

this why the MM case works for allot of guys with small wrist, the actual part of the case that actually lays on the wrist is smaller and flatter than most watches of this size.

That does look like a nice flat "case back", but on the other hand it doesn't look like the lugs curve as aggressively down as they do on the Sumo. Can you snap a picture in side view with the watch face perpendicular to the camera?

[toxicavenger]

Here are a few my Brown Brother took a while back



And one I took, I don't know if these help any though

[andrema]

These may help...

[JP Chestnut]

^^^ Thanks guys. It looks like the Sumo lugs curve much more than the MM300. If Seiko took all the best parts of the Tuna, Sumo, and MM300 it would be an amazingly good watch.

[seikomatic]

My answer to Sumo upgrade

[marchone]

There is no question in my mind that the MM300 is a better watch than the Shogun. Better movement; better case; better bracelet. At the relative price points it should be better. Having said that, the proportions, and the way it sits on the wrist makes me prefer the Shogun. I have read criticisms of the Shogun's bracelet clasp but I don't see it. Personal preference is what is.

I also have no complaints about my Shogun's accuracy. It's 10 seconds fast after 5 days. Not bad at all.

Additionally, I got a perfect bracelet fit on my first try. It's good to know I can make a micro-adjustment during the hot summer months. I'm not normally a bracelet guy but this is as good as my SMP. To me.

[JP Chestnut]

There is no question in my mind that the MM300 is a better watch than the Shogun. Better movement; better case; better bracelet. At the relative price points it should be better. Having said that, the proportions, and the way it sits on the wrist makes me prefer the Shogun. I have read criticisms of the Shogun about the bracelet clasp but I don't see it. Personal preference is what is.

I also have no complaints about my Shogun's accuracy. It's 10 seconds fast after 5 days. Not bad at all.

Additionally, I got a perfect bracelet fit on my first try. It's good to know I can make a micro-adjustment during the hot summer months. I'm not normally a bracelet guy but this is as good as my SMP. To me.

I'm not sure the mm300 bracelet is better.

[marchone]

I've read guys getting the MM300 bracelet clasp as an upgrade. Seiya stocks them.

[JP Chestnut]

I've read guys getting the MM300 bracelet clasp as an upgrade. Seiya stocks them.

The clasp maybe, but the super long not fully removeable links - I don't think so.

[marchone]

Could be. I don't know. What I do know is I'm pretty happy with my Shogun. For the money it's unbeatable. In the end it's a $1K watch, not a $5K one.

[matt.wu]

There is no question in my mind that the MM300 is a better watch than the Shogun. Better movement; better case; better bracelet. At the relative price points it should be better. Having said that, the proportions, and the way it sits on the wrist makes me prefer the Shogun. I have read criticisms of the Shogun about the bracelet clasp but I don't see it. Personal preference is what is.

I also have no complaints about my Shogun's accuracy. It's 10 seconds fast after 5 days. Not bad at all.

Additionally, I got a perfect bracelet fit on my first try. It's good to know I can make a micro-adjustment during the hot summer months. I'm not normally a bracelet guy but this is as good as my SMP. To me.

I'm not sure the mm300 bracelet is better.

[Rick448]

My Shogun is now my daily wearer and I'm struggling tk give my MM300 wrist time witb my super sub and I've ordered an Orient 300 diver and if I like it I'll probably flip the MM.

[dnslater]

I've read guys getting the MM300 bracelet clasp as an upgrade. Seiya stocks them.

The clasp maybe, but the super long not fully removeable links - I don't think so.

I think the MM300 bracelet is a beautiful design, with the finishing, etc.... I appreciate the thin links as well, as with the Sumo, the idea is to accent the big curvy lugs, and the thin links help emphasize this.. For me though it was a comfort issue like others. Thin bracelet + super thick clasp = discomfort for me.... At least for desk diving. I miss staring at that dial though, although for now the Tuna works as my go to Seiko.

[lorsban]

Was lucky enough to have tried both and I think they're both equally good watches. It just depends on what you're after.

So, for me personally, I went with the Shogun. I find it being more balanced with regards to the case height vs diameter and lug width. And I really like the angles and polished accents. I don't believe I've seen another titanium watch that had any polished areas. Most I see are all matte, brushed, blasted.

With regards to the hands, I think it suits the watch. The 12 marker is the same shape and it sets this watch apart from other super-subs.

Besides that, I also dig that any service center that can handle a Sumo can definitely handle a Shogun. Not true for the MM.

[toxicavenger]

Besides that, I also dig that any service center that can handle a Sumo can definitely handle a Shogun. Not true for the MM.

So far IWW and MCWW can both service the MM. There might be more but that is who I have used.

[lorsban]

Besides that, I also dig that any service center that can handle a Sumo can definitely handle a Shogun. Not true for the MM.

So far IWW and MCWW can both service the MM. There might be more but that is who I have used.

Yeah I've heard great things about those guys but unfortunately, we don't have makers as competent as they are locally.

Shipping to Japan would be the best option for us here.

[toxicavenger]

Besides that, I also dig that any service center that can handle a Sumo can definitely handle a Shogun. Not true for the MM.

So far IWW and MCWW can both service the MM. There might be more but that is who I have used.

Yeah I've heard great things about those guys but unfortunately, we don't have makers as competent as they are locally.

Shipping to Japan would be the best option for us here.

Japan takes around 3 months on a service job.

[BBK357]

This comparison must be the ultimate inter-Seiko showdown even though it's comparing apples to orangoutangs.

[Gatt]

I tried both the Shogun and the MM300 in a shop, here in Milan.

I have a small wrist and the smaller lug-to-lug size of the MM300 was the decisive factor.

I love it, it is now my dayly wearer.

[JP Chestnut]

^^^ How small is your wrist? The MM300 looks big but good.

[CesarG]

Funny to hear the "Service" excuse over and over. These guys don't service their watches let alone a Seiko.

[Grahamcombat]

I tried both the Shogun and the MM300 in a shop, here in Milan.

I have a small wrist and the smaller lug-to-lug size of the MM300 was the decisive factor.

I love it, it is now my dayly wearer.

Looks great!

[mattcantwin]

I have a small wrist and the smaller lug-to-lug size of the MM300 was the decisive factor.

Interesting.

Maybe that's why I like the fit of the Sumo over the MM.