The Dive Watch Connection

Decisions, decisions,
I'm after a Rolex, really like the Sea Dweller 16600 & they mostly range in the 6,275.But today I went to the AD's here in town & @ 1 of the AD's gave me a dicount on a new Sub C for 7,400 out the door.
I know the decision is ultimately mine in the end but would like some opinions on the purchase. I'm new to the Rolex craze & don't know a whole lot on the differences but ceramic bezel, non ceramic, HRV valve,non hrv & so on..

So new or old

All thoughts & opinions welcome

William

You either like the maxi hands/dial + fat case and ceramic bezel or you don't

hks3sgte wrote:You either like the maxi hands/dial + fat case and ceramic bezel or you don't

exactly and IMO the maxi setup is the way to go. also I like how the maxi case fits compared to the old school cases,not to mention the great bracelet too.

toxicavenger wrote:

hks3sgte wrote:You either like the maxi hands/dial + fat case and ceramic bezel or you don't

exactly and IMO the maxi setup is the way to go. also I like how the maxi case fits compared to the old school cases,not to mention the great bracelet too.

Cesar & Terry whats maxi/ non maxi...

bigger hands, case and hour markers.

toxicavenger wrote:bigger hands, case and hour markers.

Thanks Terry. Now I see.

watchdaddy1 wrote:

toxicavenger wrote:bigger hands, case and hour markers.

Thanks Terry. Now I see.

basically all the things that would have made me love the E2 I bought.

I think you're leaving out the biggest benefits of the Sub-C over the Dweller. As Bo said, it's all about the bracelet. Solid center-links, "glidelock" clasp for precision micro-adjustments, milled clasp. The Sub-C bracelet is probably the biggest single upgrade you're getting between the 16600 and 116610.

Another big one is that Sub-C has the cyclops, but before writing it off completely, check it out in person. The AR coating behind the cyclops makes it LOADS more useful than the standard one on the prolific Sub-Date.

The differences, in a nutshell:
- bracelet
- cyclops
- maxi hands/dial/case
- thickness
- HEV
- lume
- bezel
- movement (slightly)

Price-wise, you're talking about a watch that's a FEW thousand dollars. Don't think about the price yet. Think about which one you really want, price aside. THEN set out finding the best price (you can probably do better than $7400 on a BNIB Sub-C, I'm thinking). Used prices for the Sub-C from private sellers go down as low as $6500. And used Dwellers as low as $4800ish.

So decide what you want first - then we'll talk pricing.

matt.wu wrote:I think you're leaving out the biggest benefits of the Sub-C over the Dweller. As Bo said, it's all about the bracelet. Solid center-links, "glidelock" clasp for precision micro-adjustments, milled clasp. The Sub-C bracelet is probably the biggest single upgrade you're getting between the 16600 and 116610.

Another big one is that Sub-C has the cyclops, but before writing it off completely, check it out in person. The AR coating behind the cyclops makes it LOADS more useful than the standard one on the prolific Sub-Date.

The differences, in a nutshell:
- bracelet
- cyclops
- maxi hands/dial/case
- thickness
- HEV
- lume
- bezel
- movement (slightly)

Price-wise, you're talking about a watch that's a FEW thousand dollars. Don't think about the price yet. Think about which one you really want, price aside. THEN set out finding the best price (you can probably do better than $7400 on a BNIB Sub-C, I'm thinking). Used prices for the Sub-C from private sellers go down as low as $6500. And used Dwellers as low as $4800ish.

So decide what you want first - then we'll talk pricing.

Matt almost every SD is that price so far that Ive seen 6275, even the guy u sent me too.

I have seen SD's down to $4750. http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t= ... 7556&rid=0

watchdaddy1 wrote: Matt almost every SD is that price so far that Ive seen 6275, even the guy u sent me too.

Like Terry posted, I'm more referring to lowest possible price (from a private seller, not necessarily LNIB). If BNIB is a must, then it's a different story.

Like Matt said, there are lots of differences between the two. I must say, I love the new glidelock clasp and maxi dial and hands of the Sub C. The maxi case is a bit weird looking to me, until you get it on the wrist, where it looks just fine. The Sub C is objectively a better piece, but the 16600 has so much more soul. And, in person, I think the 16600 is just a better looking watch. I really don't think you can go wrong either way.

William,
Don't waste your hard earned money on a BNIB Rolex. Buy pre-owned. Use the savings for another piece.

Back to your question. I think they are both sweet. The Sub-C strikes me as more of a dress watch; it has a shiny bezel and polished center links. Granted the links are fixable, however if your paying BNIB price and/or need that, then I can't see you brushing them out. The SD on the other hand can do double duty; work and dress. While it is smaller, they wear pretty big IMO because they are tall.

The bracelet is great on the Sub-C, however the SD bracelet isn't a deal breaker for me. I've owned two Subs and a GMT with that bracelet.

So I guess what I'm saying is get the SD. I want one now. Great I talked myself into it.

A lot of good points here. I prefer the Dweller/16610 over the sub-c after finally seeing a sub-c in person. I just like the end product on the wrist much better-has more of a Rollie flavor to it vs the sub-c to me anyway. Dweller is a classic Rollie and always will be-for a good reason.

If it were my money I'd be all over the Sub-C.

lilhoody wrote:William,
Don't waste your hard earned money on a BNIB Rolex. Buy pre-owned. Use the savings for another piece.

Back to your question. I think they are both sweet. The Sub-C strikes me as more of a dress watch; it has a shiny bezel and polished center links. Granted the links are fixable, however if your paying BNIB price and/or need that, then I can't see you brushing them out. The SD on the other hand can do double duty; work and dress. While it is smaller, they wear pretty big IMO because they are tall.

The bracelet is great on the Sub-C, however the SD bracelet isn't a deal breaker for me. I've owned two Subs and a GMT with that bracelet.

So I guess what I'm saying is get the SD. I want one now. Great I talked myself into it.

Agree on pre-owned.

Sub-C has brushed center links, though.

Sub-C in a heartbeat. Why? Beefed up lume, beefed up bracelet, beefed up bezel, beefed up indexes, beefed up hands, beefed up clasp, beefed up movement...

Everyone likes to go and on about how the 16600 is destined to become a collector's item ( ), but given that there are approximately one gazillion of them in circulation, that ain't gonna happen. If you decide that you want one down the road, don't worry, you'll be able to get one. In the meantime, why not take advantage of a modern Rolex at the top of its game?

Regards,
Adam

Depending on what you are used to with other watches, the older SD will likely feel a bit small in terms of dial area and lume (it is even smaller in appearance than a regular Sub). The Sub C lume is MUCH better and there will be a wider appearance on the wrist (although the SD is taller). I totally agree with with others that the SD is a classic, but the lack of great lume and the thicker case always caused me to sell and go for a Sub even through I actually prefer the no cyclops crystal on the SD.

If I did not already have a GMTIIC and Sub LV with black bezel, I would be all over the Sub C but I have held off in part because while the new bracelet is much more sturdy and I love the idea of the glidelock clasp, the extra weight and thickness of the bracelet/clasp is a bit of a turn off for me based on my experience with the GMTIIC, which is close to 20 grams heavier than my Sub LV due primarily to the thicker bracelet and clasp.

matt.wu wrote:

lilhoody wrote:William,
Don't waste your hard earned money on a BNIB Rolex. Buy pre-owned. Use the savings for another piece.

Back to your question. I think they are both sweet. The Sub-C strikes me as more of a dress watch; it has a shiny bezel and polished center links. Granted the links are fixable, however if your paying BNIB price and/or need that, then I can't see you brushing them out. The SD on the other hand can do double duty; work and dress. While it is smaller, they wear pretty big IMO because they are tall.

The bracelet is great on the Sub-C, however the SD bracelet isn't a deal breaker for me. I've owned two Subs and a GMT with that bracelet.

So I guess what I'm saying is get the SD. I want one now. Great I talked myself into it.

Agree on pre-owned.

Sub-C has brushed center links, though.

I won't even check. My apologies to all.

SUBC.. Bigger is Better!!!!

Thanks guys, I appreciate all the info & opinions..I'm going w/ a SD , just purchased it in fact....Thanks again

watchdaddy1 wrote:Thanks guys, I appreciate all the info & opinions..I'm going w/ a SD , just purchased it in fact....Thanks again

Damn, William
Congrats on the SD!

Rambam wrote:

watchdaddy1 wrote:Thanks guys, I appreciate all the info & opinions..I'm going w/ a SD , just purchased it in fact....Thanks again

Damn, William
Congrats on the SD!

Thanks it'll be here Monday Kenneth