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Re: 2021 Ford Bronco Release - 7/13

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Found this link on my Alfa Romeo Stelvio forum...

Multiple Ford Bronco Sports Overheated Off-Road. Let's Talk About It

https://jalopnik.com/multiple-ford-bron ... 1846450499
It has a PTU, a gearbox that apportions power between front and rear axles. I’m not great with truck mechanics. Is this like the slush box AWD system in my Acura? Why would you use that on an off-road 4x4?
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Is anyone here getting the sport version? I’ve seen several here in Va Beach area
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deepcdvr wrote:Is anyone here getting the sport version? I’ve seen several here in Va Beach area
I’ll bet plenty of soccer moms are getting them.

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Post by dnslater » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:57 am

HapaHapa wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:14 pm
DoctorC wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:15 pm
Found this link on my Alfa Romeo Stelvio forum...

Multiple Ford Bronco Sports Overheated Off-Road. Let's Talk About It

https://jalopnik.com/multiple-ford-bron ... 1846450499
It has a PTU, a gearbox that apportions power between front and rear axles. I’m not great with truck mechanics. Is this like the slush box AWD system in my Acura? Why would you use that on an off-road 4x4?
This issue was only with the Sport model, which is a very different beast than the regular larger Bronco. The Sport is built on the Escape platform which uses a clutch based AWD system similar to many FWD based CUV's. The advantage of these is they are less expensive and generally default to FWD for better economy until the wheels slip. This allows torque vectoring probably similar to your Acura's SHAWD. Probably fine in most light trail use, but yes it appears that when the clutches are working hard on a serious rocky grade, you may have overheating issues.

Surprise, surprise, Ford is overselling the capabilities of the Sport, trying to connect it to the more serious Bronco. Not uncommon for car manufacturers.... I'm reminded of the recent ZL-1 Camaro's blowing their side curtain airbags during heavy cornering on a track with no warranty support.... despite the fact that it is advertised as designed for the track. Also the C7 Corvettes overheating...

Unfortunately for Ford most people won't realize the Sport and the Bronco are two separate models, so any bad press for one will be bad for both...

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dnslater wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:57 am
HapaHapa wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:14 pm
DoctorC wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:15 pm
Found this link on my Alfa Romeo Stelvio forum...

Multiple Ford Bronco Sports Overheated Off-Road. Let's Talk About It

https://jalopnik.com/multiple-ford-bron ... 1846450499
It has a PTU, a gearbox that apportions power between front and rear axles. I’m not great with truck mechanics. Is this like the slush box AWD system in my Acura? Why would you use that on an off-road 4x4?
Probably fine in most light trail use, but yes it appears that when the clutches are working hard on a serious rocky grade, you may have overheating issues.
Sounds like the same problem as the Focus RS had on track. The center and rear diffs constantly slip so when you push it hard they overheat and it reverts to full FWD. In reality, the vast vast vast amount of people who buy the sport won't have a problem but people should still be informed of what they're paying for.

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Re: 2021 Ford Bronco Release - 7/13

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hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:21 am
deepcdvr wrote:Is anyone here getting the sport version? I’ve seen several here in Va Beach area
I’ll bet plenty of soccer moms are getting them.
lol

I'm sure it's a coincidence, but the few I've seen were being driven by women...

We have one for sale a few blocks from my house; I looked it up and it's the badlands package. $37.5K before taxes and fees... I can think of a lot of rigs I'd rather have for 40K.
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Re: 2021 Ford Bronco Release - 7/13

Post by HapaHapa » Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:44 am

dnslater wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:57 am
HapaHapa wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:14 pm
DoctorC wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:15 pm
Found this link on my Alfa Romeo Stelvio forum...

Multiple Ford Bronco Sports Overheated Off-Road. Let's Talk About It

https://jalopnik.com/multiple-ford-bron ... 1846450499
It has a PTU, a gearbox that apportions power between front and rear axles. I’m not great with truck mechanics. Is this like the slush box AWD system in my Acura? Why would you use that on an off-road 4x4?
This issue was only with the Sport model, which is a very different beast than the regular larger Bronco. The Sport is built on the Escape platform which uses a clutch based AWD system similar to many FWD based CUV's. The advantage of these is they are less expensive and generally default to FWD for better economy until the wheels slip. This allows torque vectoring probably similar to your Acura's SHAWD. Probably fine in most light trail use, but yes it appears that when the clutches are working hard on a serious rocky grade, you may have overheating issues.

Surprise, surprise, Ford is overselling the capabilities of the Sport, trying to connect it to the more serious Bronco. Not uncommon for car manufacturers.... I'm reminded of the recent ZL-1 Camaro's blowing their side curtain airbags during heavy cornering on a track with no warranty support.... despite the fact that it is advertised as designed for the track. Also the C7 Corvettes overheating...

Unfortunately for Ford most people won't realize the Sport and the Bronco are two separate models, so any bad press for one will be bad for both...
Sounds pretty close to what my gut told me. I was concerned when I read that the sport Bronco is based on the Escape platform. I refer to my Acura RDX as a car, because it’s much more car than truck. The Escape is the same.
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Re: 2021 Ford Bronco Release - 7/13

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deepcdvr wrote:
hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:21 am
deepcdvr wrote:Is anyone here getting the sport version? I’ve seen several here in Va Beach area
I’ll bet plenty of soccer moms are getting them.
lol

I'm sure it's a coincidence, but the few I've seen were being driven by women...

We have one for sale a few blocks from my house; I looked it up and it's the badlands package. $37.5K before taxes and fees... I can think of a lot of rigs I'd rather have for 40K.
I paid less for my 2021 Outback Touring XT. Better off road, better all around.

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Re: 2021 Ford Bronco Release - 7/13

Post by dnslater » Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:56 am

hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:14 am
I paid less for my 2021 Outback Touring XT. Better off road, better all around.
Subaru's system is full time AWD, so the rears are always engaged, similar to BMW and some Audi models. Give up a little mileage but better driving engagement and traction IMHO.

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dnslater wrote:
hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:14 am
I paid less for my 2021 Outback Touring XT. Better off road, better all around.
Subaru's system is full time AWD, so the rears are always engaged, similar to BMW and some Audi models. Give up a little mileage but better driving engagement and traction IMHO.
Yes, and it works fantastic too.

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hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:28 pm
dnslater wrote:
hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:14 am
I paid less for my 2021 Outback Touring XT. Better off road, better all around.
Subaru's system is full time AWD, so the rears are always engaged, similar to BMW and some Audi models. Give up a little mileage but better driving engagement and traction IMHO.
Yes, and it works fantastic too.
Do you ever get teased by your friends for Subaru being very popular with lesbians? “Not that there’s anything wrong with that”

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Panerai7 wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:43 pm
hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:28 pm
dnslater wrote:
hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:14 am
I paid less for my 2021 Outback Touring XT. Better off road, better all around.
Subaru's system is full time AWD, so the rears are always engaged, similar to BMW and some Audi models. Give up a little mileage but better driving engagement and traction IMHO.
Yes, and it works fantastic too.
Do you ever get teased by your friends for Subaru being very popular with lesbians? “Not that there’s anything wrong with that”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/488042/

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Maybe it’s because I live in SoCal, but I’ve never heard mention that fifth Subaru purchaser group. All I’ve ever heard is praise for the brand.
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Post by hoppyjr » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:56 pm

Panerai7 wrote:
hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:28 pm
dnslater wrote:
hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:14 am
I paid less for my 2021 Outback Touring XT. Better off road, better all around.
Subaru's system is full time AWD, so the rears are always engaged, similar to BMW and some Audi models. Give up a little mileage but better driving engagement and traction IMHO.
Yes, and it works fantastic too.
Do you ever get teased by your friends for Subaru being very popular with lesbians? “Not that there’s anything wrong with that”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/488042/

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Post by Panerai7 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:05 pm

hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:56 pm
Panerai7 wrote:
hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:28 pm
dnslater wrote:
hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:14 am
I paid less for my 2021 Outback Touring XT. Better off road, better all around.
Subaru's system is full time AWD, so the rears are always engaged, similar to BMW and some Audi models. Give up a little mileage but better driving engagement and traction IMHO.
Yes, and it works fantastic too.
Do you ever get teased by your friends for Subaru being very popular with lesbians? “Not that there’s anything wrong with that”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/488042/

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Some lesbian friends told me I’m an honorary lesbian. I drive the “Official Vehicle”, wear flannel shirts & jeans, and I like the puddy tat.

I wear it like a badge of honor.
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Post by JP Chestnut » Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:07 pm

Panerai7 wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:43 pm
hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:28 pm
dnslater wrote:
hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:14 am
I paid less for my 2021 Outback Touring XT. Better off road, better all around.
Subaru's system is full time AWD, so the rears are always engaged, similar to BMW and some Audi models. Give up a little mileage but better driving engagement and traction IMHO.
Yes, and it works fantastic too.
Do you ever get teased by your friends for Subaru being very popular with lesbians? “Not that there’s anything wrong with that”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/488042/

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JP Chestnut wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:07 pm
Panerai7 wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:43 pm
hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:28 pm
dnslater wrote:
hoppyjr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:14 am
I paid less for my 2021 Outback Touring XT. Better off road, better all around.
Subaru's system is full time AWD, so the rears are always engaged, similar to BMW and some Audi models. Give up a little mileage but better driving engagement and traction IMHO.
Yes, and it works fantastic too.
Do you ever get teased by your friends for Subaru being very popular with lesbians? “Not that there’s anything wrong with that”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/488042/

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Have you seen Hoppy? Take away the glasses and cut the hair shorter and...
most of colorado drives them. and yes most of them seem to fit that description. :roll:

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HapaHapa wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:55 pm
Maybe it’s because I live in SoCal, but I’ve never heard mention that fifth Subaru purchaser group. All I’ve ever heard is praise for the brand.
well the 90's and early 2000's were horrible for subabru. they had headgasket issues for 10 year son most of their models. unfortunately i owned a few of them that did the same thing. so i think the rebranding was to try and gather up more steam to fix a car that could be better than it currently was.

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toxicavenger wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:16 pm
HapaHapa wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:55 pm
Maybe it’s because I live in SoCal, but I’ve never heard mention that fifth Subaru purchaser group. All I’ve ever heard is praise for the brand.
well the 90's and early 2000's were horrible for subabru. they had headgasket issues for 10 year son most of their models. unfortunately i owned a few of them that did the same thing. so i think the rebranding was to try and gather up more steam to fix a car that could be better than it currently was.
Speaking mostly recently, although I knew someone who owned a Forester in early 2000’s and he was happy with the car.

I’ve seen a few Subaru models done up for off-road, including knobby Falken tires. Makes me wonder if there is a local modder.

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HapaHapa wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:09 pm
Speaking mostly recently, although I knew someone who owned a Forester in early 2000’s and he was happy with the car.

I’ve seen a few Subaru models done up for off-road, including knobby Falken tires. Makes me wonder if there is a local modder.
Here was all the models it affected: Forester from 1999-2010, Impreza from 1999 to 2011, Outback from 2000-2011, Legacy from 2000-2009, and Baja from 2003-2005.

They would have redeemed themselves if they did a recall. It did not happen. So after losing out with a few Outbacks I don't see myself giving them money again. :banghead:

We have some modders here running them also. They look pretty wicked with knobby tires.

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HapaHapa wrote:
toxicavenger wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:16 pm
HapaHapa wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:55 pm
Maybe it’s because I live in SoCal, but I’ve never heard mention that fifth Subaru purchaser group. All I’ve ever heard is praise for the brand.
well the 90's and early 2000's were horrible for subabru. they had headgasket issues for 10 year son most of their models. unfortunately i owned a few of them that did the same thing. so i think the rebranding was to try and gather up more steam to fix a car that could be better than it currently was.
Speaking mostly recently, although I knew someone who owned a Forester in early 2000’s and he was happy with the car.

I’ve seen a few Subaru models done up for off-road, including knobby Falken tires. Makes me wonder if there is a local modder.
I’m running the Falken’s too. Skid plates, etc

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toxicavenger wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:33 pm
HapaHapa wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:09 pm
Speaking mostly recently, although I knew someone who owned a Forester in early 2000’s and he was happy with the car.

I’ve seen a few Subaru models done up for off-road, including knobby Falken tires. Makes me wonder if there is a local modder.
Here was all the models it affected: Forester from 1999-2010, Impreza from 1999 to 2011, Outback from 2000-2011, Legacy from 2000-2009, and Baja from 2003-2005.

They would have redeemed themselves if they did a recall. It did not happen. So after losing out with a few Outbacks I don't see myself giving them money again. :banghead:

We have some modders here running them also. They look pretty wicked with knobby tires.
Bring back the Baja! :cheers:
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deepcdvr wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:38 pm
toxicavenger wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:33 pm
HapaHapa wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:09 pm
Speaking mostly recently, although I knew someone who owned a Forester in early 2000’s and he was happy with the car.

I’ve seen a few Subaru models done up for off-road, including knobby Falken tires. Makes me wonder if there is a local modder.
Here was all the models it affected: Forester from 1999-2010, Impreza from 1999 to 2011, Outback from 2000-2011, Legacy from 2000-2009, and Baja from 2003-2005.

They would have redeemed themselves if they did a recall. It did not happen. So after losing out with a few Outbacks I don't see myself giving them money again. :banghead:

We have some modders here running them also. They look pretty wicked with knobby tires.
Bring back the Baja! :cheers:
with all the headgasket problems I am sure they are some cheap ones running around. :roll:

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toxicavenger wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:33 pm

They would have redeemed themselves if they did a recall. It did not happen. So after losing out with a few Outbacks I don't see myself giving them money again. :banghead:
Yeah, their service departments were telling customers that burning a quart of oil every 1,000 miles was "normal consumption" and within spec. My coworker experienced this. Car was great otherwise.... he just had to keep adding oil.

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toxicavenger wrote:
HapaHapa wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:55 pm
Maybe it’s because I live in SoCal, but I’ve never heard mention that fifth Subaru purchaser group. All I’ve ever heard is praise for the brand.
well the 90's and early 2000's were horrible for subabru. they had headgasket issues for 10 year son most of their models. unfortunately i owned a few of them that did the same thing. so i think the rebranding was to try and gather up more steam to fix a car that could be better than it currently was.
I’ve owned nothing but Subaru Foresters from 2006. Never had a single issue. Best cars I’ve ever owned, bar none. I haven’t seen or heard of any issues.


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manitoujoe wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:13 am
toxicavenger wrote:
HapaHapa wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:55 pm
Maybe it’s because I live in SoCal, but I’ve never heard mention that fifth Subaru purchaser group. All I’ve ever heard is praise for the brand.
well the 90's and early 2000's were horrible for subabru. they had headgasket issues for 10 year son most of their models. unfortunately i owned a few of them that did the same thing. so i think the rebranding was to try and gather up more steam to fix a car that could be better than it currently was.
I’ve owned nothing but Subaru Foresters from 2006. Never had a single issue. Best cars I’ve ever owned, bar none. I haven’t seen or heard of any issues.


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