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Re: Car Spotting

Post by unsub073 » Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:39 am

BacoNoir wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:14 pm
unsub073 wrote:New convertible Vette. My mom's car.

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Is she looking for a boy friend? LOL
Do I get to eat your cooking and have access to your place in CO?

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by BacoNoir » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:02 pm

unsub073 wrote:
BacoNoir wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:14 pm
unsub073 wrote:New convertible Vette. My mom's car.

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Is she looking for a boy friend? LOL
Do I get to eat your cooking and have access to your place in CO?
Mountain house was traded in for an RV - a sad but also good thing with COVID, but we always have room for others at dinner, well at least the current wife!
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Re: Car Spotting

Post by goaliechris » Sat May 08, 2021 4:26 pm

A little off-topic, but Wtf is up with used car prices lately? Supply? Demand? Both? Looking at moving to a coupe from my X5M, maybe a Cayman or older 911, and the prices are insane. And new cars? Have to get in line.

It crazy.

On-topic: here is a unique Taycan Turbo I saw today.

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by Seth » Sat May 08, 2021 4:39 pm

Microchip shortage is creating a real mess. Cars are literally sitting outside manufacturer’s facilities without ECUs

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by HapaHapa » Sat May 08, 2021 8:02 pm

goaliechris wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 4:26 pm
A little off-topic, but Wtf is up with used car prices lately? Supply? Demand? Both? Looking at moving to a coupe from my X5M, maybe a Cayman or older 911, and the prices are insane. And new cars? Have to get in line.

It crazy.

On-topic: here is a unique Taycan Turbo I saw today.

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I saw a car that color this week too. I don’t remember the make. Might have been a Taycan.
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Re: Car Spotting

Post by bedlam » Sat May 08, 2021 8:04 pm

goaliechris wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 4:26 pm
A little off-topic, but Wtf is up with used car prices lately? Supply? Demand? Both? Looking at moving to a coupe from my X5M, maybe a Cayman or older 911, and the prices are insane. And new cars? Have to get in line.

It crazy.

On-topic: here is a unique Taycan Turbo I saw today.

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I hope that guy drives it better than he parks it :raised:

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by BlueSky » Sun May 09, 2021 3:21 pm

goaliechris wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 4:26 pm
A little off-topic, but Wtf is up with used car prices lately? Supply? Demand? Both? Looking at moving to a coupe from my X5M, maybe a Cayman or older 911, and the prices are insane. And new cars? Have to get in line.

It crazy.

On-topic: here is a unique Taycan Turbo I saw today.

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Talk about effing up a car. Those wheels and the paint are hideous.


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Re: Car Spotting

Post by blkgsl » Sun May 09, 2021 11:06 pm

Seth wrote:Broke like every other mclaren. Utter crap cars.
Lmao yep!

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by SoCal C4S » Mon May 10, 2021 4:41 am

Saw the new Land River in person- looks WAY better than in pictures, and is significantly larger than I thought it would be from the pics.

New Bronco looks like a kid’s toy, is too small, almost a copy of the FJ Cruiser. Hard pass.

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by dnslater » Mon May 10, 2021 8:19 am

goaliechris wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 4:26 pm
A little off-topic, but Wtf is up with used car prices lately? Supply? Demand? Both? Looking at moving to a coupe from my X5M, maybe a Cayman or older 911, and the prices are insane. And new cars? Have to get in line.
Shortage of micro chips is a factor. Really pinching the production capacity of manufacturers.

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by JP Chestnut » Mon May 10, 2021 8:39 am

goaliechris wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 4:26 pm
A little off-topic, but Wtf is up with used car prices lately? Supply? Demand? Both? Looking at moving to a coupe from my X5M, maybe a Cayman or older 911, and the prices are insane. And new cars? Have to get in line.
Used prices have been high for a long time as new cars get increasingly expensive. Now that new car supply is terrible, used prices are even higher.

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by Selym » Mon May 10, 2021 9:27 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 8:39 am
Used prices have been high for a long time as new cars get increasingly expensive. Now that new car supply is terrible, used prices are even higher.
With many vehicle manufacturers pledging to end production of ICE-powered vehicles, I expect the prices of used ICE-powered vehicles to skyrocket. Electric cars don't make sense for many of us, yet they're going to be crammed down our throats. :banghead:

I also smell Cash for Clunkers 2.0...where the "clunkers" are perfectly good cars, but not electric.

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by BlueSky » Mon May 10, 2021 9:49 am

Selym wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 9:27 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 8:39 am
Used prices have been high for a long time as new cars get increasingly expensive. Now that new car supply is terrible, used prices are even higher.
With many vehicle manufacturers pledging to end production of ICE-powered vehicles, I expect the prices of used ICE-powered vehicles to skyrocket. Electric cars don't make sense for many of us, yet they're going to be crammed down our throats. :banghead:

I also smell Cash for Clunkers 2.0...where the "clunkers" are perfectly good cars, but not electric.
What version of cluster are we on now? Good grief at the fuckery going on.

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by JP Chestnut » Mon May 10, 2021 11:13 am

Selym wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 9:27 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 8:39 am
Used prices have been high for a long time as new cars get increasingly expensive. Now that new car supply is terrible, used prices are even higher.
With many vehicle manufacturers pledging to end production of ICE-powered vehicles, I expect the prices of used ICE-powered vehicles to skyrocket. Electric cars don't make sense for many of us, yet they're going to be crammed down our throats. :banghead:

I also smell Cash for Clunkers 2.0...where the "clunkers" are perfectly good cars, but not electric.
It's hard to not look at 600hp BMW M cars, Corvettes, Mustangs, Camaros, Porsches, etc as the high water mark for ICE cars. I don't know if ICE is going to actually get phased out, but I do know that there's no way that the growth in ICE performance that we've seen over the last 10 years is going to be replicated over the next 10.

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by BlueSky » Mon May 10, 2021 12:27 pm

JP Chestnut wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 11:13 am
Selym wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 9:27 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 8:39 am
Used prices have been high for a long time as new cars get increasingly expensive. Now that new car supply is terrible, used prices are even higher.
With many vehicle manufacturers pledging to end production of ICE-powered vehicles, I expect the prices of used ICE-powered vehicles to skyrocket. Electric cars don't make sense for many of us, yet they're going to be crammed down our throats. :banghead:

I also smell Cash for Clunkers 2.0...where the "clunkers" are perfectly good cars, but not electric.
It's hard to not look at 600hp BMW M cars, Corvettes, Mustangs, Camaros, Porsches, etc as the high water mark for ICE cars. I don't know if ICE is going to actually get phased out, but I do know that there's no way that the growth in ICE performance that we've seen over the last 10 years is going to be replicated over the next 10.
That's a reasonable assumption...maybe. What is the magic year, 2035 for GM and CA, parts of Canada and others? GM and CA are so extraneous to me and millions of others, especially CA, who cares. We shall see.

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by dnslater » Tue May 11, 2021 5:46 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 11:13 am
Selym wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 9:27 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 8:39 am
Used prices have been high for a long time as new cars get increasingly expensive. Now that new car supply is terrible, used prices are even higher.
With many vehicle manufacturers pledging to end production of ICE-powered vehicles, I expect the prices of used ICE-powered vehicles to skyrocket. Electric cars don't make sense for many of us, yet they're going to be crammed down our throats. :banghead:

I also smell Cash for Clunkers 2.0...where the "clunkers" are perfectly good cars, but not electric.
It's hard to not look at 600hp BMW M cars, Corvettes, Mustangs, Camaros, Porsches, etc as the high water mark for ICE cars. I don't know if ICE is going to actually get phased out, but I do know that there's no way that the growth in ICE performance that we've seen over the last 10 years is going to be replicated over the next 10.
I agree. People get all worked up about manufacturers proposing stopping ICE car sales in 10-15 years, but remember that only about 7% of all cars on the road are replaced each year, so even if new ICE car sales stop in 2035 (unlikely), it would take until 2050 until most of cars on the road were electric. Battery efficiency is improving at around 12% annually, so by then range issues won't be a problem by then and likely we will have moved on from Lithium to more sustainable battery technologies.

I'm planning to enjoy ICE engines while they are still around though.

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by JP Chestnut » Tue May 11, 2021 8:01 am

dnslater wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 5:46 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 11:13 am
Selym wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 9:27 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 8:39 am
Used prices have been high for a long time as new cars get increasingly expensive. Now that new car supply is terrible, used prices are even higher.
With many vehicle manufacturers pledging to end production of ICE-powered vehicles, I expect the prices of used ICE-powered vehicles to skyrocket. Electric cars don't make sense for many of us, yet they're going to be crammed down our throats. :banghead:

I also smell Cash for Clunkers 2.0...where the "clunkers" are perfectly good cars, but not electric.
It's hard to not look at 600hp BMW M cars, Corvettes, Mustangs, Camaros, Porsches, etc as the high water mark for ICE cars. I don't know if ICE is going to actually get phased out, but I do know that there's no way that the growth in ICE performance that we've seen over the last 10 years is going to be replicated over the next 10.
I agree. People get all worked up about manufacturers proposing stopping ICE car sales in 10-15 years, but remember that only about 7% of all cars on the road are replaced each year, so even if new ICE car sales stop in 2035 (unlikely), it would take until 2050 until most of cars on the road were electric. Battery efficiency is improving at around 12% annually, so by then range issues won't be a problem by then and likely we will have moved on from Lithium to more sustainable battery technologies.

I'm planning to enjoy ICE engines while they are still around though.
The availability of gas for purchase is, I think, the real lever that could be used to get ICE cars off the road. So long as gas and motor oil are around, I'm going to have a fun ICE car.

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by Seppia » Tue May 11, 2021 8:12 am

I’ve never understood how people can think a gigantic electric hummer/f150/cyberturd is better for the environment VS a fuel efficient 4 cylinder ICE.

Then I remind myself 99.9% of people can’t do math, but I would have hoped the 10.1% of us who do should have been able to educate the rest.

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by JP Chestnut » Tue May 11, 2021 8:16 am

Seppia wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 8:12 am
I’ve never understood how people can think a gigantic electric hummer/f150/cyberturd is better for the environment VS a fuel efficient 4 cylinder ICE.

Then I remind myself 99.9% of people can’t do math, but I would have hoped the 10.1% of us who do should have been able to educate the rest.
I just read that tire manufacturers have now needed to design a new class of car tires that are capable of standing up to the 5000+ pound weights of these EVs. There’s no way that you can replace every car on earth with an alternative that weights 1000-2000 pounds more and not creat some seriously negative unintended consequences.

Not to mention that one of the only things that might be worse for the planet than oil extraction is... the mining of rare earth minerals.

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by TSD » Tue May 11, 2021 8:18 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 8:01 am
So long as gas and motor oil are around, I'm going to have a fun ICE car.
I've driven a full electric eGolf for the last 5 years. It's not a let down. And that's coming off driving some rockets (JCW Mini, Audi 3.2 Quattro, S2000, GTIs...)

But we aren't even close to not having an ICE or two. I have an old truck that gets 10mpg and isn't going anywhere, because shitty range on the eGolf can't get me across the state.

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by Seppia » Tue May 11, 2021 8:30 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
Not to mention that one of the only things that might be worse for the planet than oil extraction is... the mining of rare earth minerals.
I haven’t looked into the matter seriously, but intuitively hybrids should be the way if one actually wanted to save the planet.


There is so much hypocrisy with the green stuff it makes ME* sick

*I am a lefty european socialist

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by BlueSky » Tue May 11, 2021 8:44 am

I just think a lot of this is pie in the sky type thinking. For every solid pro argument, there's a solid argument against. Regarding all these potential dates, that I agree are total BS, let's see how relevant GM and others are in 2035, with their "carbon neutrality", which is quite the oxymoron.

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Re: Car Spotting

Post by HapaHapa » Tue May 11, 2021 9:25 am

Seppia wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 8:12 am
I’ve never understood how people can think a gigantic electric hummer/f150/cyberturd is better for the environment VS a fuel efficient 4 cylinder ICE.

Then I remind myself 99.9% of people can’t do math, but I would have hoped the 10.1% of us who do should have been able to educate the rest.
It's tough to educate. Many don't pay enough attention to grasp what's being communicated. Many believe what's in the prettiest ad or slickest format. Many only believe the information that fits the answer they want to hear. Put all that together and most info just goes in one ear and out the other. Best course of action is just don't worry about it and go about your life in a fashion that you enjoy.
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Re: Car Spotting

Post by JP Chestnut » Tue May 11, 2021 9:35 am

Seppia wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 8:30 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Not to mention that one of the only things that might be worse for the planet than oil extraction is... the mining of rare earth minerals.
I haven’t looked into the matter seriously, but intuitively hybrids should be the way if one actually wanted to save the planet.


There is so much hypocrisy with the green stuff it makes ME* sick

*I am a lefty european socialist
There is so much left to innovate in ICE. Variable vain turbos with electric assist can increase power and/or efficiency incredibly. They can also be powered via regenerative braking which adds very little weight and complexity. People are making insane HP by running their cars on E85 rather than regular gas and those are just regular dudes with a laptop. Just imagine what GM or VW could do.

Seeing the current limitations of ICE and responding with beta level EVs is as smart as cutting your foot off because you have an ingrown toenail.

On edit: improved catalytic converters would be another obvious thing to invest in where the governments of the world not pushing the market to EV.
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Re: Car Spotting

Post by JP Chestnut » Tue May 11, 2021 9:38 am

TSD wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 8:18 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 8:01 am
So long as gas and motor oil are around, I'm going to have a fun ICE car.
I've driven a full electric eGolf for the last 5 years. It's not a let down. And that's coming off driving some rockets (JCW Mini, Audi 3.2 Quattro, S2000, GTIs...)

But we aren't even close to not having an ICE or two. I have an old truck that gets 10mpg and isn't going anywhere, because shitty range on the eGolf can't get me across the state.
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