Doxa sub 200 t-graph chrono in stainless. 9/2/19 launch

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Doxa sub 200 t-graph chrono in stainless. 9/2/19 launch

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Available for order as of 2 September 2019 on the official DOXA website https://www.doxawatches.com/

After the success of the 130th Anniversary series in 18K gold presented at Baselworld 2019 and limited to only 13 pieces, DOXA launches the SUB 200 T.GRAPH in steel in a limited edition of 300 pieces

This limited edition is powered by historical movements: original VALJOUX 7734 calibers which had been conserved in pristine condition for over 30 years at DOXA.

$4,900

2019 reedition of the model is 43mm x 46mm x 15mm.

The movement inside is a “new old stock” Valjoux 7734, which is vintage and dates to the 1980s, but is not the same calibre as in the original. The original was powered by the Doxa cal. 287, a hand-wound movement that was a rebadged cal. 310-82 from Eberhard, a sister company of Doxa at the time. In its day, and still today, the cal. 7734 is a low-cost, entry-level movement, while the Eberhard cal. 310-82 was arguably more sophisticated. Most prominent amongst the differences between the two is the fact that the cal. 7734 relies on a cam to engage the chronograph mechanism, while the cal. 287 has a column wheel.

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Post by watchmavan » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:43 am

15mm for a hand cranker! Cmon Doxa. Looks like a 1200 case size. 300 would have been nicer. Gotta like their style though with the NOS calibres.


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Post by matt.wu » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:13 am

Whoa! That's a pleasant surprise!
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Post by logan2z » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:36 am

matt.wu wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:13 am
Whoa! That's a pleasant surprise!
It's a cool looking watch to be sure, but while $5K for a steel Doxa with a fairly entry level chronograph movement is certainly a surprise, I'm not sure it's all that pleasant ;)

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Post by pbj204 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:55 am

Heard back from Doxa. It's not a pre-order. It will ship immediately.

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Post by matt.wu » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:28 am

logan2z wrote:
matt.wu wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:13 am
Whoa! That's a pleasant surprise!
It's a cool looking watch to be sure, but while $5K for a steel Doxa with a fairly entry level chronograph movement is certainly a surprise, I'm not sure it's all that pleasant ;)
Hey man. Your used AP 15400 is a $20k+ watch now. It could be much worse.

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Post by logan2z » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:31 am

matt.wu wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:28 am
logan2z wrote:
matt.wu wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:13 am
Whoa! That's a pleasant surprise!
It's a cool looking watch to be sure, but while $5K for a steel Doxa with a fairly entry level chronograph movement is certainly a surprise, I'm not sure it's all that pleasant ;)
Hey man. Your used AP 15400 is a $20k+ watch now. It could be much worse.

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Post by logan2z » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:46 am

I always wonder about watches like this based on 'historical' movements that have been sitting around for decades. Are all of the movements fully serviced before being cased into the new watches? I assume so but it would be nice to know for sure. I had a similar question for CWC about their chronograph that used a vintage
Valjoux movement but never received a reply from them.

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Post by pbj204 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:05 am

logan2z wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:36 am
matt.wu wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:13 am
Whoa! That's a pleasant surprise!
It's a cool looking watch to be sure, but while $5K for a steel Doxa with a fairly entry level chronograph movement is certainly a surprise, I'm not sure it's all that pleasant ;)
I think the value will hold up if these are the only vintage movements to which they have access. If these will truly be the only 300 made, with no sharkhunters or searamblers, than the price seems okay.

Blacklungs are going for close to $3,000 with the eta 2824. There are 300 50th anniversary professionals, 300 50th sharkhunters, 300 50th searamblers, 300 professional black lungs, 300 searambler black lungs, and 100 sharkhunter black lungs (or more?) for a total of 1,600 in that case style.

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Post by JBZ » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:08 am

logan2z wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:46 am
I always wonder about watches like this based on 'historical' movements that have been sitting around for decades. Are all of the movements fully serviced before being cased into the new watches? I assume so but it would be nice to know for sure. I had a similar question for CWC about their chronograph that used a vintage
Valjoux movement but never received a reply from them.
I wonder that, too. You would think they would be serviced, oiled, etc. if they've been sitting around for that long, but who knows?

And I question the ad copy re: "conserved in pristine condition for over 30 years at DOXA." That would be 1989 or thereabouts. Wasn't Doxa defunct at that time?

The price does seem a bit high to me, but if it's a limited 300 piece run, there may be enough Doxa fanatics to sell them all.
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Post by pbj204 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:34 am

JBZ wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:08 am
That would be 1989 or thereabouts. Wasn't Doxa defunct at that time?
I read that they stopped production of the Valjoux 7734 in 1978.

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Post by Axelay2003 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:16 pm

Damn! I thought about adding this one 3-4 years ago. Now that it has become a reality, it may not happen....close to $5k???
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Post by andrema » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:51 pm

That's a great looking $2700 watch.
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Post by watchmavan » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:14 pm

JBZ wrote:
logan2z wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:46 am
I always wonder about watches like this based on 'historical' movements that have been sitting around for decades. Are all of the movements fully serviced before being cased into the new watches? I assume so but it would be nice to know for sure. I had a similar question for CWC about their chronograph that used a vintage
Valjoux movement but never received a reply from them.
I wonder that, too. You would think they would be serviced, oiled, etc. if they've been sitting around for that long, but who knows?

And I question the ad copy re: "conserved in pristine condition for over 30 years at DOXA." That would be 1989 or thereabouts. Wasn't Doxa defunct at that time?

The price does seem a bit high to me, but if it's a limited 300 piece run, there may be enough Doxa fanatics to sell them all.
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Post by mfxr » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:09 pm

andrema wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:51 pm
That's a great looking $2700 watch.
Kinda what I was thinking. I would consider it at that price, but not at $5k

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Post by Jeep99dad » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:37 pm

I like it a lot but can’t see spending 5k on a Doxa. I’ll stick to my 1200
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Post by toxicavenger » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:17 pm

recycling old movements that you can't get parts for and charging $5k, no thanks. the watch looks great though. they should concentrate on customer service first and they people will even drive their firetruck

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Post by aikiman44 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:29 pm

Who said you can’t get parts?
"We'd better synchronize our watches."

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Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:29 pm
Who said you can’t get parts?
They have no been produced in over 30-40 years. Do you know of a source for parts? The only one I found was ebay. That is not a reliable source. :banghead:

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toxicavenger wrote:
aikiman44 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:29 pm
Who said you can’t get parts?
They have no been produced in over 30-40 years. Do you know of a source for parts? The only one I found was ebay. That is not a reliable source. :banghead:
Well If you want to fix a movement yourself then I guess parts might be hard to come by. But like any old watch, a reletively capable watchmaker will be able to accomplish this. Right now I'm wearing a watch with a movement that ceased production in 1971. No problems with servicing.


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Post by toxicavenger » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:42 pm

watchmavan wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:36 pm
toxicavenger wrote:
aikiman44 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:29 pm
Who said you can’t get parts?
They have no been produced in over 30-40 years. Do you know of a source for parts? The only one I found was ebay. That is not a reliable source. :banghead:
Well If you want to fix a movement yourself then I guess parts might be hard to come by. But like any old watch, a reletively capable watchmaker will be able to accomplish this. Right now I'm wearing a watch with a movement that ceased production in 1971. No problems with servicing.


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There is a difference between servicing a watch and fixing a watch. This is a new watch. Not a vintage piece. It is basically setting the buyer up for failure if they do not stock extra movements to fix broken watches.

It would be the same as if I bought a new corvette and they put a old rebuilt motor in it like a 348 that I can not get parts for.

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Post by watchmavan » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:53 pm

toxicavenger wrote:
watchmavan wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:36 pm
toxicavenger wrote:
aikiman44 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:29 pm
Who said you can’t get parts?
They have no been produced in over 30-40 years. Do you know of a source for parts? The only one I found was ebay. That is not a reliable source. :banghead:
Well If you want to fix a movement yourself then I guess parts might be hard to come by. But like any old watch, a reletively capable watchmaker will be able to accomplish this. Right now I'm wearing a watch with a movement that ceased production in 1971. No problems with servicing.


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There is a difference between servicing a watch and fixing a watch. This is a new watch. Not a vintage piece. It is basically setting the buyer up for failure if they do not stock extra movements to fix broken watches.

It would be the same as if I bought a new corvette and they put a old rebuilt motor in it like a 348 that I can not get parts for.
That's not the same as an engine for a car of today is nothing like an engine of 50 years ago. Watch calibres however are very similar. You're also talking about a VERY common calibre.


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Post by toxicavenger » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:01 pm

watchmavan wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:53 pm
toxicavenger wrote:
watchmavan wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:36 pm
toxicavenger wrote:
aikiman44 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:29 pm
Who said you can’t get parts?
They have no been produced in over 30-40 years. Do you know of a source for parts? The only one I found was ebay. That is not a reliable source. :banghead:
Well If you want to fix a movement yourself then I guess parts might be hard to come by. But like any old watch, a reletively capable watchmaker will be able to accomplish this. Right now I'm wearing a watch with a movement that ceased production in 1971. No problems with servicing.


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There is a difference between servicing a watch and fixing a watch. This is a new watch. Not a vintage piece. It is basically setting the buyer up for failure if they do not stock extra movements to fix broken watches.

It would be the same as if I bought a new corvette and they put a old rebuilt motor in it like a 348 that I can not get parts for.
That's not the same as an engine for a car of today is nothing like an engine of 50 years ago. Watch calibres however are very similar. You're also talking about a VERY common calibre.


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How is the caliber common if it has not been used in 30 years? And how does that equate to parts support from the manufacture of that caliber and supply house?

An engine 50 years ago is the bases of what we have today, especially in some of the V-8 line ups. When stripped down they are all very similar. Just like movements. But it does not always equate to parts interchangeability.

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Post by JP Chestnut » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:13 pm

watchmavan wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:36 pm
toxicavenger wrote:
aikiman44 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:29 pm
Who said you can’t get parts?
They have no been produced in over 30-40 years. Do you know of a source for parts? The only one I found was ebay. That is not a reliable source. :banghead:
Well If you want to fix a movement yourself then I guess parts might be hard to come by. But like any old watch, a reletively capable watchmaker will be able to accomplish this. Right now I'm wearing a watch with a movement that ceased production in 1971. No problems with servicing.


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Weird comment. Terry isn’t some dude screwing around with watches. He has facilitated service of many customer watches at this point. If Terry says that parts for this movement are hard to come by, there’s no reason to doubt him - unless you yourself have easy access to parts for this movement. If so, then start supplying Terry.

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Post by watchmavan » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:49 pm

JP Chestnut wrote:
watchmavan wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:36 pm
toxicavenger wrote:
aikiman44 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:29 pm
Who said you can’t get parts?
They have no been produced in over 30-40 years. Do you know of a source for parts? The only one I found was ebay. That is not a reliable source. :banghead:
Well If you want to fix a movement yourself then I guess parts might be hard to come by. But like any old watch, a reletively capable watchmaker will be able to accomplish this. Right now I'm wearing a watch with a movement that ceased production in 1971. No problems with servicing.


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Weird comment. Terry isn’t some dude screwing around with watches. He has facilitated service of many customer watches at this point. If Terry says that parts for this movement are hard to come by, there’s no reason to doubt him - unless you yourself have easy access to parts for this movement. If so, then start supplying Terry.
Yes I know who Terry is and have bought from him a dozen or more times before. I have also owned quite a few vintage watches and never had trouble with servicing. I've also owned a 50 year old Beetle and had no trouble obtaining parts because of the sheer amount of parts available still.

The 7730 is based on a Venus 188 with most parts exactly the same. Venus 188 are currently being made under another guise in China with parts a plenty just from China. Many parts are also the same as those used in the 7750 which are still being made today. There are some parts that are hard to get but as I said a good watchmaker, of which I don't think has contributed to the post already would be able to source. We are talking about a calibre "family" that was used for "Decades". The company supplied calibres to half the of the chronos made for over 20 years. There are thousands of them as a source of parts and in vintage watches being sold every day. It was then the base for the development of the 7750.

But then a good watchmaker could also fashion the part themselves as well.

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