Global slow down...

[four20]

Ya know, I’m about as small government, leave me alone, small “l” libertarian as it gets. But my understanding of this streak of independence has always been based on an assumption. That people will voluntarily work together as needed when big problems present themselves. I’m re-evaluating a few cherished beliefs these days.

I've always thought capitalism is for progress and socialism is for crises. Navigating between them to get the best outcomes for the given situation is the key. Responding to a pandemic needs good central coordination and community cooperation. I'm hoping both our countries have the flexibility to manage that.

Capitalism works just fine for crisis so long as there is philanthropy (e.g. the Gates, Arnolds and others).

And government bail outs for all the airlines that spent all their profits buying back their stock or cruise ship companies that flag their ships in countries that offer flag of convenience. Ever wonder why every cruise to Alaska has to stop in Canada before returning to the US? Because they’re all foreign flagged.


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Ok, I’ll rephrase more cynically. Capitalism works. Opportunism doesn’t, except for the opportunists, and there’s lots of opportunists out there.

And a few of them are United States senators

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[hoppyjr]

Remind me again, what is all this accomplishing?

Some hate Trump, some love Trump

Nobody wants to get sick.

People gonna die.

China lied, par for the course.

Lessons will be learned.

Politicians are largely assholes & idiots.

Ben wears his sisters underwear.

Terry doesn’t wear underwear.

Wu wears Underoos.

[BacoNoir]

^^^ Well said. It accomplishes nothing. November will be the decision point for the country. Until then, let’s stop the finger pointing, practice social distancing, flatten the curve and get through this shitty time.

[dnslater]

To be clear he did NOT call the virus a hoax. That lie was debunked.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnns-jake ... irus-claim

As usual, Fox and CNN both oversimplified and his words were more nuanced.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... ly-remark/

Hopefully if anything good comes out of this we can stop listening to the the bullshit politicians on both sides spew and come together as citizens.

[BBK357]

Look, if you follow back the story, we had significant info that the pandemic was coming months ago. Fed a bunch of BS by the Orange one about a hoax, warm weather, it’s under control, etc., this is not a generic disagreement. It’s not that we’re adaptive. It’s that this was willfully ignored to keep the Orange ones reputation/economy intact.

We would have had more testing available and protective gear in the pipeline when this was needed. People are lined up for testing right now because there isn’t enough. Regardless what you believe.

Pence in charge? He doesn’t believe in evolution. Therefore he denies biology, physics, geology, etc. You know, SCIENCE. AIDS exploded under his governorship because of his lack of understanding. When he finally allowed the needle exchange, the epidemic abated. But he had to pray on it first.

Platitudes like hospitals only have so much are sweeping this under the rug. There were purposeful delays and lack of professionals to do the job. Because they were fired.

What do I do? I performed surgery on a patient last week at the local hospital and am seeing patients in my home office on an emergency basis.

I don’t totally disagree w you.
I was following the virus back when it was first being reported. When the Chinese citizens were trying to video and warn people while their government chased them down and arrested them for posting about it.
I find the lack of outrage against the Chinese government sickening. Locking people in their apartments against their will, delivering fake packages that are supposed to be food and supplies- all empty, imprisoning people that were trying to warn the world.

I was not thinking it would be this bad- I don’t think anyone over here in the USA knew that it would be this bad.
Imagine if trump would have closed international travel back then. Their would be uprisings about how extreme and how racist he is- even though we know now that it would have been the best thing to do.
I know he doesn’t help himself by twittering, but he will never be able to do anything right in the media’s eyes.


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[BBK357]

And PS to whoever in the thread brought up how Ebola didn’t spread under Obama....
can’t compare the two viruses in any way, shape or form.
Ebola is a lot harder to transfer and it was coming from an African country that wasn’t being traveled to.

And testing ? Lol. Yeah the test for Ebola is “have you been to xxxx African nation lately? are you shitting down your pants whilst having a super high fever? Yes, well, ok, you’ll be hemorrhaging through your eye sockets within 48hr good luck.”


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[aikiman44]

the Ebola outbreak was handled professionally and competently. This was followed by multiple pandemic offices set up worldwide which were dismantled in 2016. Sorry you aren’t aware If this.

You haven’t been paying attention to the importance of testing?

[BBK357]

Testing for the Wuhan Coronavirus is very important. Never said it wasn’t.

My point was you can not compare these two viruses in any way.


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[BacoNoir]

I’m out - this political back and forth shit is getting old.

[hoppyjr]

I’m out - this political back and forth shit is getting old.

No shit. Even on few occasions where I’ve been semi-political I don’t take it the extremes of these motherfuckers.

Give it break Jay. Fuck.

[BBK357]

I’m out - this political back and forth shit is getting old.

[sierra11b]

the Ebola outbreak was handled professionally and competently. This was followed by multiple pandemic offices set up worldwide which were dismantled in 2016. Sorry you aren’t aware If this.

You haven’t been paying attention to the importance of testing?

Lol. The “Ebola outbreak” pretty much handled itself by design.

You know what I still don’t get in the last three years? How I served under Slick Willy (got our under GWB). I wasn’t a fan of Obama but would have been honored to meet the man as I have always respected the office of President.

The relentlessness of the left in the last years has been incredible to say the least. TDS is very real and sad.

[r.palace]

You know what I still don’t get in the last three years? How I served under Slick Willy (got our under GWB). I wasn’t a fan of Obama but would have been honored to meet the man as I have always respected the office of President.

The relentlessness of the left in the last years has been incredible to say the least. TDS is very real and sad.

QFT

[caesarmascetti]

the Ebola outbreak was handled professionally and competently. This was followed by multiple pandemic offices set up worldwide which were dismantled in 2016. Sorry you aren’t aware If this.

You haven’t been paying attention to the importance of testing?

Ebola cannot be compared to Corona. Ebola is not prone to spread like Corona as symptoms manifest much quicker and the host more often than not dies quickly.

A far more accurate comparison would be H1N1, let's look at how well Obama handled that shall we. This is from CDC so feel free to look it up. The WHO declared it a pandemic in April 2009. The Obama admin did not declare a National emergency until Oct 2009, at which point millions were infected and thousands already dead. The final numbers below:

From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

Now let's imagine the outcry if the current administration had waited 6 months, over a million infected, and 1000 or more dead to declare a national emergency like his predecessor did can you imagine the outcry. Funny I don't remember any outrage at the delay from the Obama administration waiting for millions of Americans to be infected or 1000 or more dead before declaring an emergency over H1N1

[aikiman44]

You quote the only part of the article regarding Obama’s handling of the swine flu that’s inaccurate. The article goes on to refute that inaccurate statement. THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE ARTICLE. Didn’t read the rest,
or got the ‘info’ from Fox? Because this is how Fox rolls. Coronavirus a democratic hoax, anyone?
Why are you spreading this disinformation?
Here’s the original article from which you ‘quote’.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama ... -flu-n1h1/

Oh and the ‘left’,not to mention countless smart conservatives, have been losing it for three years over the most corrupt, venal, incompetent president in modern history.

Bottom line, he knew and did nothing. Our families are in more danger because of him.

You can stop using his closure of China as a defense. It was too little, too late.

Why are people defending him? You think he’s a friend of the working man? Far from it. His proposed trillion dollar slush fund bill for the big corporations has no protection for the workers whatsoever. Giant tax cut for the corporations ring any bells? Any idea which party is, and has been a friend of the working man in this country? Which party has traditionally been a friend of the unions?

[River Rat]

There should of been plans two months ago getting started on this shit. Has any one thought of the national security can be effective by this. Been reading the navy times. Boot camp graduation no visitors for it. Navy ships the racks you sleep in is more tight than a prison cell so this crap will spread like wild fire the USS Bunker hill has a few cases now heard a spec war unit a member came down with it. The navy now stopped reporting what commands have it now but will report how many case since it’s starting to spread in our military. I guess they don’t want the locals near the bases were the ships are stationed to freak out. Two months to plan for our county and our military to deal with it was time lost. This could be a security issue were our military can get weaker depending how hard it is hit. Some ships are stuck at sea to make sure no one has the virus before they can hit a port I also read. Some stuff some of you mite not have thought about. Face to face recruiting has stoped with on line recruiting only military recruiting will suffer and there will be a personnel shortage in the military I bet. Also read some yard birds have got it yard bird navy slang for civilian workers on base those spread it to military personnel most navy bases are along the coast the hardest hit by this virus. So the navy will be hit very hard.

[aikiman44]

Mike, you’re right of course. Excellent point. Living in close proximity they’re in particular danger. I didn’t consider the danger to our national defense. Then there’s police, fire, sanitation personnel, etc. All of our first responders.

Now, how do you defend him, guys. Friend of the military?

Is there one of you staunch defenders that maybe now has the slightest doubt that you might possibly be wrong in your defense? Just one?

[hoppyjr]

You quote the only part of the article regarding Obama’s handling of the swine flu that’s inaccurate. The article goes on to refute that inaccurate statement. THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE ARTICLE. Didn’t read the rest,
or got the ‘info’ from Fox? Because this is how Fox rolls. Coronavirus a democratic hoax, anyone?
Why are you spreading this disinformation?
Here’s the original article from which you ‘quote’.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama ... -flu-n1h1/

Oh and the ‘left’,not to mention countless smart conservatives, have been losing it for three years over the most corrupt, venal, incompetent president in modern history.

Bottom line, he knew and did nothing. Our families are in more danger because of him.

You can stop using his closure of China as a defense. It was too little, too late.

Why are people defending him? You think he’s a friend of the working man? Far from it. His proposed trillion dollar slush fund bill for the big corporations has no protection for the workers whatsoever. Giant tax cut for the corporations ring any bells? Any idea which party is, and has been a friend of the working man in this country? Which party has traditionally been a friend of the unions?

Excellent job of keeping political shit out of the forum. A fine job.

Get a fucking hobby dude.

I’m shocked that all of you verbal vomit is being tolerated by our moderators.

[aikiman44]

Lot of hatred out there. Before Fox, conservatives didn’t hate liberals. Promoting hatred is their stock in trade. More hatred equals higher ratings.

Have you seen “The Loudest Voice”? It’s the biography of Fox founder Roger Ailes. Great series with Russell Crowe at his best. It really was illuminating.

I apologize again to those who find my posts offensive. But so what if one thread is a political discussion? It is titled Global Slow Down. We can handle it. As long as we keep the hatred and insults down. Verbal vomit? Did you even read my last two posts? What wasn’t true?

Thank you to the Mods for allowing this.

[River Rat]

I heard New York fire fighters even sick if not bad will
still have to work due to they need every one on deck since they are overwhelmed by this virus. If true I hope protective gear stops them from spreading it to the people there trying to help.

[HapaHapa]

I’m glad there’s Urban Dictionary so I can figure out all the acronyms

[demer03]

Lot of hatred out there. Before Fox, conservatives didn’t hate liberals. Promoting hatred is their stock in trade. More hatred equals higher ratings.

Have you seen “The Loudest Voice”? It’s the biography of Fox founder Roger Ailes. Great series with Russell Crowe at his best. It really was illuminating.

I apologize again to those who find my posts offensive. But so what if one thread is a political discussion? It is titled Global Slow Down. We can handle it. As long as we keep the hatred and insults down. Verbal vomit? Did you even read my last two posts? What wasn’t true?

Thank you to the Mods for allowing this.

Tomato, tomato... MSNBC and their ilk stoked conservative hatred back to GWB.

It goes both ways.

[aikiman44]

Mike, you mean the President who blew up the world? Factual reporting on the Iraq War, etc. was not promoting hatred. Truly Bush was a disaster whose actions to this day are still being felt. He used to be the worst president, but he was a man of principles on his own way.

Look, all media is biased. That’s okay. We can make up our own minds. But Fox is the only one to promote conspiracy theories: Pizza Gate, Mark Rich etc. If another outlet makes a mistake they retract it. Mistakes are part of it.

With conspiracy monger Hannity and the racist Carlson, Fox is in a category of its own.

I realize if someone’s been marinating in Fox for 20 years, there’s a certain impermeability to the truth. All the arguments here have been Fox arguments to a T.

If you watch The Loudest Voice, it’ll put Fox in proper perspective.

[demer03]

Hahaha

Nice.

Fuck this thread

[hoppyjr]

Lot of hatred out there. Before Fox, conservatives didn’t hate liberals. Promoting hatred is their stock in trade. More hatred equals higher ratings.

Have you seen “The Loudest Voice”? It’s the biography of Fox founder Roger Ailes. Great series with Russell Crowe at his best. It really was illuminating.

I apologize again to those who find my posts offensive. But so what if one thread is a political discussion? It is titled Global Slow Down. We can handle it. As long as we keep the hatred and insults down. Verbal vomit? Did you even read my last two posts? What wasn’t true?

Thank you to the Mods for allowing this.

Mike, you mean the President who blew up the world? Factual reporting on the Iraq War, etc. was not promoting hatred. Truly Bush was a disaster whose actions to this day are still being felt. He used to be the worst president, but he was a man of principles on his own way.

Look, all media is biased. That’s okay. We can make up our own minds. But Fox is the only one to promote conspiracy theories: Pizza Gate, Mark Rich etc. If another outlet makes a mistake they retract it. Mistakes are part of it.

With conspiracy monger Hannity and the racist Carlson, Fox is in a category of its own.

I realize if someone’s been marinating in Fox for 20 years, there’s a certain impermeability to the truth. All the arguments here have been Fox arguments to a T.

If you watch The Loudest Voice, it’ll put Fox in proper perspective.

Wow.