New release by Helson. I don't quite get the point/
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While I'd certainly prefer an LLD no-date to the date version, I actually think the date version looks pretty good - much better than this blatant ripoff from Helson with the awful yellow lume.
Hopefully the Swatch Group will sue Helson out of existence.
Hopefully the Swatch Group will sue Helson out of existence.
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I doubt it, Omega didn’t sue Helson when they did the Ploprof copy as far as I know. (Yeah, this isn’t the first time they have done a blatant copy).logan2z wrote:While I'd certainly prefer an LLD no-date to the date version, I actually think the date version looks pretty good - much better than this blatant ripoff from Helson with the awful yellow lume.
Hopefully the Swatch Group will sue Helson out of existence.
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https://www.gruppogammawatches.com/coll ... y=25527851Panerai7 wrote:It's not about the price with me you know thatericf4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:56 pmJust to be clear, I'm not judging you because you want to get one. Hell, to get the same watch (pretty much) at half the price, i understand....That said, Helson should be ashamed.
I would pay the exact same amount for what LLD NO Date retails for.
if anyone has a BNIB LLD No Date with over a year warranty left in their safe, let me know
if anyone knows of another company that makes a compressor style diver with screw down crowns, domed crystal and no date, let me know as well
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Pathetic.tattoo chef wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:29 pmOmega didn’t sue Helson when they did the Ploprof copy as far as I know. (Yeah, this isn’t the first time they have done a blatant copy).
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Gruppoericf4 wrote:you know what im saying dude. Point is, its not the buyer, its the maker i have issue with, regardless of your motivationsPanerai7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:02 pmIt's not about the price with me you know thatericf4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:56 pmJust to be clear, I'm not judging you because you want to get one. Hell, to get the same watch (pretty much) at half the price, i understand....That said, Helson should be ashamed.
I would pay the exact same amount for what LLD NO Date retails for.
if anyone has a BNIB LLD No Date with over a year warranty left in their safe, let me know
if anyone knows of another company that makes a compressor style diver with screw down crowns, domed crystal and no date, let me know as well
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This.
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Re: New release by Helson. I don't quite get the point/
The whole situation is pretty funny actually. Helson continually rips off Swatch Group designs (Omega SM300, Ploprof, Longines Legend) and Swatch just keeps selling Helson ETA movements to put in these very watches. You would think they could at least cut off the movement supply, but they are probably moved through third party brokers...... and the number of watches and price point that Helson deals with doesn't threaten Swatch.
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Indeed a copy, but at least this watch (and the SM1000, and the SM300 now) have been extint for some decades. And it was a good quality copy, no 58 bezel clicks here, if you know what I mean. I do find some usefulness in that.tattoo chef wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:29 pmI doubt it, Omega didn’t sue Helson when they did the Ploprof copy as far as I know. (Yeah, this isn’t the first time they have done a blatant copy).
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Debatable, i know, but that marks the limits of a homage to me. Obviouly, YMMV.
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Ploprof was reintroduced by Omega in 2009Blackdog wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:02 pm
Indeed a copy, but at least this watch (and the SM1000, and the SM300 now) have been extint for some decades. And it was a good quality copy, no 58 bezel clicks here, if you know what I mean. I do find some usefulness in that.
Debatable, i know, but that marks the limits of a homage to me. Obviouly, YMMV.
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Yes, and other than the basic funky shape it's a very different watch. And there's always been a Seamaster 300 in production in one shape or another. The Fifty Fathoms has too been around in different versions. Also true is that all these newer incarnations by the original brands ar likely vastly superior products than any Helson.dnslater wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:23 pmPloprof was reintroduced by Omega in 2009Blackdog wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:02 pm
Indeed a copy, but at least this watch (and the SM1000, and the SM300 now) have been extint for some decades. And it was a good quality copy, no 58 bezel clicks here, if you know what I mean. I do find some usefulness in that.
Debatable, i know, but that marks the limits of a homage to me. Obviouly, YMMV.
What I tried to say is that they were copies/tributes/homages of the original vintage designs, that have been out of production for years. Though that doesn't make them any less of a copy, I have to admit.
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2100 for a LLD is about 600 too much...
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Re: New release by Helson. I don't quite get the point/
Copy watches are wrong.
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While I realize it is all a personal decision as to where your judgement lies on these "homages", I'm going with the hard pass on this one. I can't be disgusted with the MM300 copies and Tuna copies being so beloved on WUS and not lump this into the same category.
The SM300 copy I feel is a different animal as the original design is long out of production. The only way to get an "original" is through Watchco, and I have often wondered how they seem to have found an endless supply of NOS Omega SM300 cases.
The Ploprof "homage" irks me a bit too. If memory serves, O7 released their copy, then Omega re-released it, then Helson released their copy a couple years after (like '08, then '09, then 2012). Given the closeness of the releases and the time it likely took all three makers to tool up, the Ploprof homages are a little bit more grey than this Longines copy.
In my opinion, making a watch that is a derivative design of a long out of production watch is fair game. Copying a current design with the sole intent of producing a cheaper option is not much different than e knock offs we see across the fashion industry.
The SM300 copy I feel is a different animal as the original design is long out of production. The only way to get an "original" is through Watchco, and I have often wondered how they seem to have found an endless supply of NOS Omega SM300 cases.
The Ploprof "homage" irks me a bit too. If memory serves, O7 released their copy, then Omega re-released it, then Helson released their copy a couple years after (like '08, then '09, then 2012). Given the closeness of the releases and the time it likely took all three makers to tool up, the Ploprof homages are a little bit more grey than this Longines copy.
In my opinion, making a watch that is a derivative design of a long out of production watch is fair game. Copying a current design with the sole intent of producing a cheaper option is not much different than e knock offs we see across the fashion industry.
Re: New release by Helson. I don't quite get the point/
So how much time needs to pass since Longines stopped making the no date LLD for you guys to be comfortable getting this Helson?Ryeguy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:08 amWhile I realize it is all a personal decision as to where your judgement lies on these "homages", I'm going with the hard pass on this one. I can't be disgusted with the MM300 copies and Tuna copies being so beloved on WUS and not lump this into the same category.
The SM300 copy I feel is a different animal as the original design is long out of production. The only way to get an "original" is through Watchco, and I have often wondered how they seem to have found an endless supply of NOS Omega SM300 cases.
The Ploprof "homage" irks me a bit too. If memory serves, O7 released their copy, then Omega re-released it, then Helson released their copy a couple years after (like '08, then '09, then 2012). Given the closeness of the releases and the time it likely took all three makers to tool up, the Ploprof homages are a little bit more grey than this Longines copy.
In my opinion, making a watch that is a derivative design of a long out of production watch is fair game. Copying a current design with the sole intent of producing a cheaper option is not much different than e knock offs we see across the fashion industry.
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Date or no date, it is still a currently produced watch by the original manufacturer. Just because the date version is no longer offered doesn't make it an out of production design.Panerai7 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:42 amSo how much time needs to pass since Longines stopped making the no date LLD for you guys to be comfortable getting this Helson?Ryeguy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:08 amWhile I realize it is all a personal decision as to where your judgement lies on these "homages", I'm going with the hard pass on this one. I can't be disgusted with the MM300 copies and Tuna copies being so beloved on WUS and not lump this into the same category.
The SM300 copy I feel is a different animal as the original design is long out of production. The only way to get an "original" is through Watchco, and I have often wondered how they seem to have found an endless supply of NOS Omega SM300 cases.
The Ploprof "homage" irks me a bit too. If memory serves, O7 released their copy, then Omega re-released it, then Helson released their copy a couple years after (like '08, then '09, then 2012). Given the closeness of the releases and the time it likely took all three makers to tool up, the Ploprof homages are a little bit more grey than this Longines copy.
In my opinion, making a watch that is a derivative design of a long out of production watch is fair game. Copying a current design with the sole intent of producing a cheaper option is not much different than e knock offs we see across the fashion industry.
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I know - it is a personal thing and even a point I am not 100% in compliance with.Panerai7 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:42 amSo how much time needs to pass since Longines stopped making the no date LLD for you guys to be comfortable getting this Helson?Ryeguy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:08 amWhile I realize it is all a personal decision as to where your judgement lies on these "homages", I'm going with the hard pass on this one. I can't be disgusted with the MM300 copies and Tuna copies being so beloved on WUS and not lump this into the same category.
The SM300 copy I feel is a different animal as the original design is long out of production. The only way to get an "original" is through Watchco, and I have often wondered how they seem to have found an endless supply of NOS Omega SM300 cases.
The Ploprof "homage" irks me a bit too. If memory serves, O7 released their copy, then Omega re-released it, then Helson released their copy a couple years after (like '08, then '09, then 2012). Given the closeness of the releases and the time it likely took all three makers to tool up, the Ploprof homages are a little bit more grey than this Longines copy.
In my opinion, making a watch that is a derivative design of a long out of production watch is fair game. Copying a current design with the sole intent of producing a cheaper option is not much different than e knock offs we see across the fashion industry.
For example, I shoot and sometimes carry this:
Which is a pretty close replication of this:
Walther still makes, and profits from, the PPK/S design, yet I bought a Sig.
Taking a step back, it is pretty odd to have one set of standards for watches and a looser set of standards for firearms.
I'm still bothered by this Helson, but I'll agree my feelings really aren't all that logical.
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Ok I'll wait then. Maybe JLC will screw down Polaris crowns next year. Thanks for the pep talkdnslater wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:03 amDate or no date, it is still a currently produced watch by the original manufacturer. Just because the date version is no longer offered doesn't make it an out of production design.Panerai7 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:42 amSo how much time needs to pass since Longines stopped making the no date LLD for you guys to be comfortable getting this Helson?Ryeguy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:08 amWhile I realize it is all a personal decision as to where your judgement lies on these "homages", I'm going with the hard pass on this one. I can't be disgusted with the MM300 copies and Tuna copies being so beloved on WUS and not lump this into the same category.
The SM300 copy I feel is a different animal as the original design is long out of production. The only way to get an "original" is through Watchco, and I have often wondered how they seem to have found an endless supply of NOS Omega SM300 cases.
The Ploprof "homage" irks me a bit too. If memory serves, O7 released their copy, then Omega re-released it, then Helson released their copy a couple years after (like '08, then '09, then 2012). Given the closeness of the releases and the time it likely took all three makers to tool up, the Ploprof homages are a little bit more grey than this Longines copy.
In my opinion, making a watch that is a derivative design of a long out of production watch is fair game. Copying a current design with the sole intent of producing a cheaper option is not much different than e knock offs we see across the fashion industry.
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Re: New release by Helson. I don't quite get the point/
Except the Sig is vastly superior in terms of use. It is not remotely a PPK copy.Ryeguy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:10 amI know - it is a personal thing and even a point I am not 100% in compliance with.Panerai7 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:42 amSo how much time needs to pass since Longines stopped making the no date LLD for you guys to be comfortable getting this Helson?Ryeguy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:08 amWhile I realize it is all a personal decision as to where your judgement lies on these "homages", I'm going with the hard pass on this one. I can't be disgusted with the MM300 copies and Tuna copies being so beloved on WUS and not lump this into the same category.
The SM300 copy I feel is a different animal as the original design is long out of production. The only way to get an "original" is through Watchco, and I have often wondered how they seem to have found an endless supply of NOS Omega SM300 cases.
The Ploprof "homage" irks me a bit too. If memory serves, O7 released their copy, then Omega re-released it, then Helson released their copy a couple years after (like '08, then '09, then 2012). Given the closeness of the releases and the time it likely took all three makers to tool up, the Ploprof homages are a little bit more grey than this Longines copy.
In my opinion, making a watch that is a derivative design of a long out of production watch is fair game. Copying a current design with the sole intent of producing a cheaper option is not much different than e knock offs we see across the fashion industry.
For example, I shoot and sometimes carry this:
Which is a pretty close replication of this:
Walther still makes, and profits from, the PPK/S design, yet I bought a Sig.
Taking a step back, it is pretty odd to have one set of standards for watches and a looser set of standards for firearms.
I'm still bothered by this Helson, but I'll agree my feelings really aren't all that logical.
Sorry, had to chime in because I love the 230 series.
I’ve been on the lookout for an actual 200m compressor style diver for a while. Bit bummed that all the NDs are gone from longines like many others on this thread.
Am I crazy or is longines stacking up really well against Tudor in the price/quality/style department these days?
Re: New release by Helson. I don't quite get the point/
Even big brands copy others' designs.
I mean, how many brands have a Submariner look alike....
Everyone has to make his own decision. But let's be honest....there are many who will never have $9k (or even $2k) to spend on a watch.
Microbrands offer an alternative. Original, not really. Affordable for the common man - yes.
and let's also be honest and admit that some (not all) of these microbrands actually produce a quality product. Maybe not superior...but quality nonetheless.
Would I rather have the original? Of course. But I've got three kids to put through college and a genuine BP 50 fathoms or LNIB Omega PloProf/Seamaster 1000 will never be in my budget.
I mean, how many brands have a Submariner look alike....
Everyone has to make his own decision. But let's be honest....there are many who will never have $9k (or even $2k) to spend on a watch.
Microbrands offer an alternative. Original, not really. Affordable for the common man - yes.
and let's also be honest and admit that some (not all) of these microbrands actually produce a quality product. Maybe not superior...but quality nonetheless.
Would I rather have the original? Of course. But I've got three kids to put through college and a genuine BP 50 fathoms or LNIB Omega PloProf/Seamaster 1000 will never be in my budget.
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i totally get the argument for micro brands, that still does nothing for the idea of an almost 100% theft of another design.
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Whether or not a watch is still in production is irrelevant IMO. You don't own the design, you can't use it. I can't personally support a watch company whose entire strategy is to profit from someone else's IP.
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just realized...to add insult to injury...isn't there another microbrand company with a "hammerhead" model?