New release by Helson. I don't quite get the point/

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New release by Helson. I don't quite get the point/

Post by Blackdog » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:40 am

I just noticed a new entry in their website, and I couldn't find any previous discussions on this one. Neither old nor recent, so this must be a new offering altogether...

Helson Hammerhead.
(pics from Helson's website)
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Specs are good: 42mm, 22mm lug size, 51mm L2L, ETA 2824-2.

Everyone has different views on "Homages", but personally, this is crossing the line from Homage to Copy for me.

I am a bit baffled. I mean, this watch exists today reissued by the original manufacturer, and to a pretty decent accuracy to the old one. I don't see the Helson version bringing anything new to the table.

But most of all, the Longines Legend diver can be bought new for around 1500 euros/U$S. Much less pre-loved. Yes, it's twice as much, but hardly a major investment considering it's the real deal from an established swiss company with a proper after sales support network.

I'm a recent convert and new Helson fan, but with this one I frankly don't see the point. Am I missing something ? Opinions ?
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Re: New release by Helson. I don't quite get the point/

Post by ericf4 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:41 am

i saw the pic this am on another forum and was shocked at how blatant a rip off it is....

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Post by ericf4 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:42 am

They should get the shit sued out of them....



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Post by nweash » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 am

Whoever did the pee job for that lume need to drink more water.
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Post by Panerai7 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:00 pm

Oh hell yeah I'm getting that. can't find a no date LLD, Polaris is a poser joke of a diver, Alpina has a f-ed up date window at 4:15. This is it for the compressor.
Thanks for the heads up

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Post by ericf4 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:05 pm

Panerai7 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:00 pm
Oh hell yeah I'm getting that. can't find a no date LLD, Polaris is a poser joke of a diver, Alpina has a f-ed up date window at 4:15. This is it for the compressor.
Thanks for the heads up
wasn't there a LLD no date for sale here recently? Perhaps the price seemed a bit nutty if i recall, unless thats actually the going rate recently.

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Post by Panerai7 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:10 pm

ericf4 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:05 pm
Panerai7 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:00 pm
Oh hell yeah I'm getting that. can't find a no date LLD, Polaris is a poser joke of a diver, Alpina has a f-ed up date window at 4:15. This is it for the compressor.
Thanks for the heads up
wasn't there a LLD no date for sale here recently? Perhaps the price seemed a bit nutty if i recall.
Not sure but I'm sure it was 500-750 more than it was last retail
This one has screwed in lug bars, shorter 51mm than LLD which is nice.

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Post by ericf4 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:13 pm

yeah the LLD here was like 2100

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Post by Panerai7 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:17 pm

ericf4 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:13 pm
yeah the LLD here was like 2100
I would definitely buy a BNIB no date LLD if there is one available

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Post by gwells » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:48 pm

the no dates sold out quickly and the secondary market on them has been stupid. i have no idea why longines made that such a limited run.

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Post by 1954Selmer » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:51 pm

i likey

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Post by jtbenson » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:58 pm

gwells wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:48 pm
the no dates sold out quickly and the secondary market on them has been stupid. i have no idea why longines made that such a limited run.
they realized the lugs were too long :shrug:
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Post by hoppyjr » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:14 pm

Probably better lume too, but I prefer the OG

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Re: New release by Helson. I don't quite get the point/

Post by dnslater » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:21 pm

ericf4 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:41 am
i saw the pic this am on another forum and was shocked at how blatant a rip off it is....
I agree. I lump this in with the MM300 Sharkey rip off diver.

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Post by ericf4 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:26 pm

i got no respect for a "brand" who literally rips off like this. Taking inspiration is one thing but this aint that....

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Post by Panerai7 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:45 pm

ericf4 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:26 pm
i got no respect for a "brand" who literally rips off like this. Taking inspiration is one thing but this aint that....
It's a blatant copy but it's frustrating that there's nothing like this out there by anyone else including Longines, the one with the date is a no-go

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Post by Blackdog » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:51 pm

I get that ppl prefer the no-date version and Longines is not making it anymore. But to me, the phantom date-change position of the keyless is a constant reminder that it is NOT a true non-date watch.

I'd still rather put up with the date window and go for the real thing.

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Post by ericf4 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:56 pm

Panerai7 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:45 pm
ericf4 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:26 pm
i got no respect for a "brand" who literally rips off like this. Taking inspiration is one thing but this aint that....
It's a blatant copy but it's frustrating that there's nothing like this out there by anyone else including Longines, the one with the date is a no-go
Just to be clear, I'm not judging you because you want to get one. Hell, to get the same watch (pretty much) at half the price, i understand....That said, Helson should be ashamed.

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Post by Panerai7 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:02 pm

ericf4 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:56 pm
Panerai7 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:45 pm
ericf4 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:26 pm
i got no respect for a "brand" who literally rips off like this. Taking inspiration is one thing but this aint that....
It's a blatant copy but it's frustrating that there's nothing like this out there by anyone else including Longines, the one with the date is a no-go
Just to be clear, I'm not judging you because you want to get one. Hell, to get the same watch (pretty much) at half the price, i understand....That said, Helson should be ashamed.

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It's not about the price with me you know that :)
I would pay the exact same amount for what LLD NO Date retails for.
if anyone has a BNIB LLD No Date with over a year warranty left in their safe, let me know
if anyone knows of another company that makes a compressor style diver with screw down crowns, domed crystal and no date, let me know as well :thumbsup:

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Post by ericf4 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:04 pm

Panerai7 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:02 pm
ericf4 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:56 pm
Panerai7 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:45 pm
ericf4 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:26 pm
i got no respect for a "brand" who literally rips off like this. Taking inspiration is one thing but this aint that....
It's a blatant copy but it's frustrating that there's nothing like this out there by anyone else including Longines, the one with the date is a no-go
Just to be clear, I'm not judging you because you want to get one. Hell, to get the same watch (pretty much) at half the price, i understand....That said, Helson should be ashamed.

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It's not about the price with me you know that :)
I would pay the exact same amount for what LLD NO Date retails for.
if anyone has a BNIB LLD No Date with over a year warranty left in their safe, let me know
if anyone knows of another company that makes a compressor style diver with screw down crowns, domed crystal and no date, let me know as well :thumbsup:
you know what im saying dude. Point is, its not the buyer, its the maker i have issue with, regardless of your motivations

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Re: New release by Helson. I don't quite get the point/

Post by Panerai7 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:05 pm

ericf4 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:04 pm
Panerai7 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:02 pm
ericf4 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:56 pm
Panerai7 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:45 pm
ericf4 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:26 pm
i got no respect for a "brand" who literally rips off like this. Taking inspiration is one thing but this aint that....
It's a blatant copy but it's frustrating that there's nothing like this out there by anyone else including Longines, the one with the date is a no-go
Just to be clear, I'm not judging you because you want to get one. Hell, to get the same watch (pretty much) at half the price, i understand....That said, Helson should be ashamed.

ImageImage
It's not about the price with me you know that :)
I would pay the exact same amount for what LLD NO Date retails for.
if anyone has a BNIB LLD No Date with over a year warranty left in their safe, let me know
if anyone knows of another company that makes a compressor style diver with screw down crowns, domed crystal and no date, let me know as well :thumbsup:
you know what im saying dude. Point is, its not the buyer, its the maker i have issue with, regardless of your motivations
I gotcha :cheers:

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Re: New release by Helson. I don't quite get the point/

Post by dnslater » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:16 pm

It's a shame that Alpina doesn't make a no date version of this:
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Post by Panerai7 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:18 pm

dnslater wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:16 pm
It's a shame that Alpina doesn't make a no date version of this:
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Or has a clue not to position the date window at 3:45 :)

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Post by Panerai7 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:24 pm

Had the grey dial for a few weeks on loan and couldn't live with the date window.

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Re: New release by Helson. I don't quite get the point/

Post by gwells » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:35 pm

jtbenson wrote:
gwells wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:48 pm
the no dates sold out quickly and the secondary market on them has been stupid. i have no idea why longines made that such a limited run.
they realized the lugs were too long :shrug:


Same lugs as on the date version, they still sell that.

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