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Re: Responsibility

Post by BacoNoir » Wed May 23, 2018 7:18 am

Depends. Is it the heroine whore who’s going to drop drawers, take a dump and fling poo at me? If not, hell no. If so, what are my options to duck and cover?
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Re: Responsibility

Post by River Rat » Wed May 23, 2018 7:21 am

FUCK NO who was the slim ball post his name here so members here will not sell him any thing so they don't have to deal with a idiot he needs to be shamed.

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Re: Responsibility

Post by Denizen » Wed May 23, 2018 7:24 am

What is the reason why he feels you should be responsible at this point?

Was the watch performing poorly after he received it? And how long ago was the sale?

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Re: Responsibility

Post by TSD » Wed May 23, 2018 8:14 am

As a rule, no.

But I did sell a cool Seiko to a guy overseas once, which had just come back to me from warranty repairs with Seiko Japan. He started having movement issues, and had a local guy open it/check it, etc. I told him send it back to Japan, and it turned out that Seiko Japan's extension of the warranty didn't cover the movement service, so he paid for the service (and I volunteered to chip in half b/c it seemed right and I didn't wanna own it again :shh: ).

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Re: Responsibility

Post by toxicavenger » Wed May 23, 2018 8:16 am

once you crack the seal you own it.

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Re: Responsibility

Post by jeckyll » Wed May 23, 2018 8:19 am

Grahamcombat wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 4:53 am
I know where I stand on this, but I would like to hear from you guys:

If a person that you sold a working watch to takes the watch and has it disassembled and then, upon reassembly, the watch no longer works, do you owe them a full refund?
Let me change that to:

"If a person sold a working motorbike, and the new owner takes it to a mechanic to have engine work done, and then the motor won't fire, do you owe the person a refund."

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Re: Responsibility

Post by BacoNoir » Wed May 23, 2018 8:20 am

toxicavenger wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 8:16 am
once you crack the seal you own it.
That's what my wife (then girlfriend) told me too. :roll:
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Re: Responsibility

Post by toxicavenger » Wed May 23, 2018 8:25 am

BacoNoir wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 8:20 am
toxicavenger wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 8:16 am
once you crack the seal you own it.
That's what my wife (then girlfriend) told me too. :roll:
same here, that is why I used it :crybaby: :oops:

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Re: Responsibility

Post by Sidheguitarist » Wed May 23, 2018 9:05 am

As posted, nope. Take the sale out of it: someguy, somewhere, takes a watch that runs to sumdood who takes it apart; now it doesn’t run. Sounds like it’s on the guy doing the tinkering to me.



ETA: you want the problem "disappeared" for you? I mean, you give and you give; might be nice for you to get something back for once...

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Re: Responsibility

Post by hoppyjr » Wed May 23, 2018 9:08 am

toxicavenger wrote:
BacoNoir wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 8:20 am
toxicavenger wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 8:16 am
once you crack the seal you own it.
That's what my wife (then girlfriend) told me too. :roll:
same here, that is why I used it - both times. :crybaby: :oops: ImageImage

Neither looks pleased.



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Re: Responsibility

Post by Sidheguitarist » Wed May 23, 2018 9:13 am

That’s the thing about Tupperware, Terry, and the Walrus: all three go for a tight seal.

(Paul, you want in on this too?)

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Re: Responsibility

Post by Ryeguy » Wed May 23, 2018 10:09 am

^^^ It was nice knowing you, Michael! :roll:

...and to answer the original question, abso-friggin'-lutely not.

Even if I were to just borrow something from you and, in the course of proper use, broke it, I would still pay you full replacement value. To buy it, then break it, then demand a refund is just beyond the pale.

Incidents like this just make me wonder how people were raised. In what bizzarro world do they think it is OK to attempt to take advantage of someone like this? I don't even like hearing about it with major retail chains such as LL Bean (who had to change their return policy due to abuse). Doing this to an individual is just obnoxious.

Personally, I'd like to know who had the balls to ask this of you so I never accidentally sell them a watch.

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Re: Responsibility

Post by aikiman44 » Wed May 23, 2018 10:16 am

First answer wound be no.
It’s not always so simple. I bought a watch that was serviced. The crown popped off and my watchmaker said a couple other things needed to be done.
Of course the seller as not too happy but we settled on him paying half the cost for repair.
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Re: Responsibility

Post by 2ar2c1 » Wed May 23, 2018 10:55 am

tmw wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:12 am
Hell, if they even remove the strap they own it and no refund. Especially if they complain of scratches under the lugs.

Hmm....I know directly of this.....
x2, more than once.

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Re: Responsibility

Post by matt.wu » Wed May 23, 2018 1:40 pm

I offer full refunds for about 3 days after the sale. After that, regardless of what you did or did not do with it, you own it.

Same goes for those who try to squeeze a partial refund out after the fact. Unless it was my mistake that I want to make right, you can either send the watch back wholly (and pay for shipping) or GFY.
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Re: Responsibility

Post by MDF » Wed May 23, 2018 2:07 pm

That's crazy talk LOL!
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Re: Responsibility

Post by jeckyll » Wed May 23, 2018 2:21 pm

matt.wu wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 1:40 pm
I offer full refunds for about 3 days after the sale. After that, regardless of what you did or did not do with it, you own it.

Same goes for those who try to squeeze a partial refund out after the fact. Unless it was my mistake that I want to make right, you can either send the watch back wholly (and pay for shipping) or GFY.
M@: Would you give a refund to someone who took the watch somewhere where it was opened, messed with, and now no longer works?

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Re: Responsibility

Post by BBK357 » Wed May 23, 2018 2:56 pm

But why did he have it looked at in the first place? Seems like there is more to the story


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Re: Responsibility

Post by Captdave » Wed May 23, 2018 3:03 pm

Nope! Now if it’s a land cruiser I sell you we could talk.


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Re: Responsibility

Post by matt.wu » Wed May 23, 2018 4:03 pm

jeckyll wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 2:21 pm
matt.wu wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 1:40 pm
I offer full refunds for about 3 days after the sale. After that, regardless of what you did or did not do with it, you own it.

Same goes for those who try to squeeze a partial refund out after the fact. Unless it was my mistake that I want to make right, you can either send the watch back wholly (and pay for shipping) or GFY.
M@: Would you give a refund to someone who took the watch somewhere where it was opened, messed with, and now no longer works?

:shrug:
Nope. No way. Re-reading, I guess I wasn't very clear in what I wrote. 3-day refund even if it's buyer's remorse, but the watch has to be unfuckedwith. As soon as you start messing with the watch, all bets are off.
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Re: Responsibility

Post by sierra11b » Wed May 23, 2018 4:16 pm

Graham clearly states it was a working watch. So the answer is no once he admitted to taking it apart.

Who took it apart, exactly? If it was a maker then the buyer should be asking him. You're absolved.

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Re: Responsibility

Post by BBK357 » Wed May 23, 2018 4:30 pm

sierra11b wrote:Graham clearly states it was a working watch. So the answer is no once he admitted to taking it apart.

Who took it apart, exactly? If it was a maker then the buyer should be asking him. You're absolved.
Why did he need it apart then?


I’m simply asking because it could have been something as simple as- a pube on the dial from An MKII, maybe it was Hoppys old dusty Divex, or maybe it was the old Seiko I sold on eBay 5 years ago and the crown fell off when the buyer tried to operate it.

Not saying Graham is lying or sabotage it- but sometimes shit happens to old watches and even new.

If it was me and it had a legit issue, I would say I would pay for just the issue- if the watch maker screwed it up it’s on him. But if he went to re install a crown or get Yao’s Pube off the dial and discovered mult issues- I would prob offer a refund.
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Re: Responsibility

Post by jeckyll » Wed May 23, 2018 4:48 pm

matt.wu wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 4:03 pm
jeckyll wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 2:21 pm
matt.wu wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 1:40 pm
I offer full refunds for about 3 days after the sale. After that, regardless of what you did or did not do with it, you own it.

Same goes for those who try to squeeze a partial refund out after the fact. Unless it was my mistake that I want to make right, you can either send the watch back wholly (and pay for shipping) or GFY.
M@: Would you give a refund to someone who took the watch somewhere where it was opened, messed with, and now no longer works?

:shrug:
Nope. No way. Re-reading, I guess I wasn't very clear in what I wrote. 3-day refund even if it's buyer's remorse, but the watch has to be unfuckedwith. As soon as you start messing with the watch, all bets are off.
That makes a lot more sense now :cheers:
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Re: Responsibility

Post by deepcdvr » Wed May 23, 2018 6:11 pm

"unfuckedwith"

Good word - I'm going to use it :cheers:
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Re: Responsibility

Post by logan2z » Wed May 23, 2018 7:28 pm

Matt's favorite brand of honey:

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