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Monta Atlas GMT

Post by toxicavenger » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:52 pm

I like it. https://montawatch.com/products/atlas?_ ... dFaTJFaSJ9

Pre-order is $1615. Regular price is $1795
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Post by JP Chestnut » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:01 pm

I'm not feeling it. It's not bad, but it's just... bland.

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Post by Jeep99dad » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:57 pm

I like the blue one but wish it was 1200-1300. I was hoping for something “more new” rather than a mix of two of their existing models. But they have another release coming out I think.
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Post by Jeep99dad » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:04 pm

Seppia wrote:Very nice!
Is it real GMT (jumping hour, Rolex style) or shit GMT (ETA style)?
It’s not shit :) but it doesn’t have a jumping hour hand like Alpjna or Rolex. It’s the Sellita 330 I think so equivalent to the ETA 2893. Not a fan personally but I do own a 2893 powered watch because I really like the watch otherwise like you I am not a fan of the the eta2893/se 330
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Re: Monta Atlas GMT

Post by Ryeguy » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:56 am

Seppia wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:26 pm
The jumping hour hand for a GMT is such a superior design, plus if one actually travels across time zones, the ETA style is super inconvenient, I found it almost useless.
I’ve had both and found the 2893-2 style (as used in this Monta) to be fine if you don’t change time zones too often. It’ll be fine for things such as vacation travel where you go someplace and stay there for a while.

For a business type travel plan where you are bouncing from place to place, I’ll agree the jump hour GMT is the way to go.

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Post by Ryeguy » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:04 am

I just noticed these have that same weird bent GMT hand.

I know there is precedent for this, but it still looks like an inelegant, hack, solution.

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Post by toxicavenger » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:22 am

Ryeguy wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:04 am
I just noticed these have that same weird bent GMT hand.

I know there is precedent for this, but it still looks like an inelegant, hack, solution.
If anything I would think this is a harder solution than what the other option is. I like it. Because they way the watch actually had raised markers with a lot of lume. My Triumph had great lume at night, especially for a watch whose lume pods are not that wide.

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Post by Bradystraps » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:25 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:01 pm
I'm not feeling it. It's not bad, but it's just... bland.

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Re: Monta Atlas GMT

Post by toxicavenger » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:38 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:01 pm
I'm not feeling it. It's not bad, but it's just... bland.
I think they took the comments regarding the Triumph design and eliminated the numbers off the dial to make it more bland. I personally like the numbers. But in this configuration I am not sure i would have.

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Post by Ryeguy » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:59 am

toxicavenger wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:22 am
Ryeguy wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:04 am
I just noticed these have that same weird bent GMT hand.

I know there is precedent for this, but it still looks like an inelegant, hack, solution.
If anything I would think this is a harder solution than what the other option is. I like it. Because they way the watch actually had raised markers with a lot of lume. My Triumph had great lume at night, especially for a watch whose lume pods are not that wide.
You think?

There are lots of watches with large, applied, indices which don't require hands to be bent in order to clear the dial. Seiko can manage it on their GS GMT, Breitling can manage it on their Avenger GMT, and even low cost options such as Steinhart can manage it just to name a few.

I know watch making is a game of millimeters and I am only playing armchair quarterback, but it is my opinion the watch might have looked better with a slightly lowered dial, or less tall indices, or a raised pinion (if available for the Sellita movement), but any of those options would have probably cased a waterfall of further case modifications (such as movement rings, crown location due to stem height, etc.).

I suspect the bent GMT hand was more of a function of a desire to maintain parts commonality across the model line and this was the actually the least expensive option, not the most.

Again, just my $.02. Even if it were the most expensive option, it just doesn't appear that way to my eye.

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Post by BacoNoir » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:58 am

SW300 and bent GMT hand, along with bland design - 3 strikes. Nope, not remotely interested here.
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Post by CGSshorty » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:33 pm

This thing is bland as hell. The no-date OceanKing is hot, though.
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Post by toxicavenger » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:44 pm

BacoNoir wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:58 am
SW300 and bent GMT hand, along with bland design - 3 strikes. Nope, not remotely interested here.
I like the 330. Have you heard anything negative about them? Now the 200 I do not like.

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CGSshorty wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:33 pm
This thing is bland as hell. The no-date OceanKing is hot, though.
Yeah it is. :cheers:

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Post by matt.wu » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:00 pm

Looks well executed, but there’s nothing compelling about it. Kinda how the Oceanking struck me in person. Couldn’t complain about the finishing at all, but there just wasn’t anything that I really loved about it.

Probably just a personal preference thing. I tend to like weird watches.
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Post by toxicavenger » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:14 pm

matt.wu wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:00 pm
Looks well executed, but there’s nothing compelling about it. Kinda how the Oceanking struck me in person. Couldn’t complain about the finishing at all, but there just wasn’t anything that I really loved about it.

Probably just a personal preference thing. I tend to like weird watches.
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Post by Panerai7 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:43 am

I like it. Kudos to them for stepping away from making Sub lookalikes

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Post by Ryeguy » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:49 am

Seppia wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:42 am
Ryeguy wrote:
There are lots of watches with large, applied, indices which don't require hands to be bent in order to clear the dial. Seiko can manage it on their GS GMT, Breitling can manage it on their Avenger GMT, and even low cost options such as Steinhart can manage it just to name a few.
Don’t know about the other two, but the GS gmt are all super thick.
I’ll take a bent GMT hand in exchange for a thinner watch 100 times out 100.

If this had a real GMT I’d definitely consider it.
While the aesthetics of a bent GMT hand are debatable, I do think the guys at Monta are skilled designers.

I've got to think they realized they couldn't lower the dial without manufacturing an entirely new mid case due to having to reposition the stem and crown. They probably couldn't raise the hand stack due to crystal fitment limitations.

They were kind of stuck.

The only other option which would have allowed them to keep the bold applied indices and mid case would have been to print the 24hr scale inboard of the hour indices and used a shorter GMT hand, but that style is sometimes deemed too busy.

That is the challenge to watchmaking. Every decision effects everything else and sometimes, if you are fixed on one design element (i.e. big bold applied indices) other things have to be compromised. It's just the nature of design.

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Post by Ryeguy » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:22 am

FWIW, regarding dial design and the bent GMT hand, Rolex gets around this issue by having a unique hand stack, with the short hour hand being at the bottom of the stack and the 24 hour hand being next, followed by the minute hand and the second hand on top.

Just saying there are ways to accomplish the design goals, but they aren't necessarily easy. No one is expecting Monta to create a new movement.

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Post by Jeep99dad » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:34 pm

I don’t get what the big deal is with that hand.
The watch is nice but a bit small. There is a lot I like but something is off, not sure what it is. I just don’t want to drop that much on it. I prefer their new No Date with red secondhand
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Post by BacoNoir » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:13 am

toxicavenger wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:44 pm
BacoNoir wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:58 am
SW300 and bent GMT hand, along with bland design - 3 strikes. Nope, not remotely interested here.
I like the 330. Have you heard anything negative about them? Now the 200 I do not like.
It's the lack of a jump hour hand that I don't like.
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Post by toxicavenger » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:11 pm

BacoNoir wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:13 am
toxicavenger wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:44 pm
BacoNoir wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:58 am
SW300 and bent GMT hand, along with bland design - 3 strikes. Nope, not remotely interested here.
I like the 330. Have you heard anything negative about them? Now the 200 I do not like.
It's the lack of a jump hour hand that I don't like.
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Post by Henryj » Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:52 am

Jeep99dad wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:34 pm
I don’t get what the big deal is with that hand.
The watch is nice but a bit small. There is a lot I like but something is off, not sure what it is. I just don’t want to drop that much on it. I prefer their new No Date with red secondhand Image
For me, it’s the lack of an outer turning/marked bezel.
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