Borealis Medusa

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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by gwells » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:26 pm

:cheers:

i can get on board with those sentiments.

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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by CGSshorty » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:23 pm

I had a great conversation about homages recently:

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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by Chocodove » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:28 pm

^^^ If anyone believes those don't exist with fake Seiko dials somewhere and sold as reps through other channels, they're simply being naive.
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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by Panerai7 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:36 pm

Chocodove wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:28 pm
^^^ If anyone believes those don't exist with fake Seiko dials somewhere and sold as reps through other channels, they're simply being naive.
Exactly,
Those guys are in denial "please don't call it fake" lol

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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by andrema » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:43 pm

Did you get shown the door, Chris? If so, what kind of door was it?


That watch is pretty much over the line for me...a great example of a watch that is still in production that gets copied by some brand to turn a buck.
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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by dnslater » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:45 pm

That watch is clearly a photo of a Seiko with a dial photoshopped in, which is really disgusting.

An eBay search for that one lead to finding this one.
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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by CGSshorty » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:48 pm

andrema wrote:Did you get shown the door, Chris? If so, what kind of door was it?


That watch is pretty much over the line for me...a great example of a watch that is still in production that gets copied by some brand to turn a buck.
My favorite part was when he tagged the other Admin, like he was calling for his dad.
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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by CGSshorty » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:50 pm

That's the Facebook Diver's Watches group, by the way.
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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by HapaHapa » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:50 pm

Naive or just unwilling to admit it's a copy. Has anyone been bold enough to do a side by side comparison with the real thing?
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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by Chocodove » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:55 pm

HapaHapa wrote:Naive or just unwilling to admit it's a copy. Has anyone been bold enough to do a side by side comparison with the real thing?
I can't imagine why someone that owns a real MM300 would want to touch that thing. Other than the fakers to copy it.

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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by matt.wu » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:07 pm

CGSshorty wrote:That's the Facebook Diver's Watches group, by the way.
That's basically why I refuse to participate in any of the FB groups.
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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by Panerai7 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:11 pm

dnslater wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:45 pm
That watch is clearly a photo of a Seiko with a dial photoshopped in, which is really disgusting.

An eBay search for that one lead to finding this one.
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That's disgusting and funny at the same time


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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by watches503 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:21 pm

HapaHapa wrote:Naive or just unwilling to admit it's a copy. Has anyone been bold enough to do a side by side comparison with the real thing?
Not me but saw this on FB
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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by 59yukon01 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:28 pm

The same thread about this fake is on WUS. One member actually noticed that Murker, Merkur, Murky, or whatever the f@ck they're called used his wrist shot of his MM300, with the dial Photoshopped. This and the Tuna copy I just don't get how they sincerely believe it's a ligitable homage.


Found the post link:

http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?p=43382378
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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by Chocodove » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:30 pm

watches503 wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:21 pm
HapaHapa wrote:Naive or just unwilling to admit it's a copy. Has anyone been bold enough to do a side by side comparison with the real thing?
Not me but saw this on FB
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The MM300 looks about 100x nicer here.
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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by tattoo chef » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:33 pm

Okay. That Merker thing is a straight up copy. It's exactly the same except it doesn't say Seiko.
I didn't think it could get worse than the one below, but it does.

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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by andrema » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:45 pm

^ At least that one used Mercedes hands
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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by Seppia » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:45 pm

andrema wrote:
Seppia wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:31 am
matt.wu wrote:It has everything to do with originality, design, and WORK.
Many of the "new" designs I see today from some of the most respected brands look just like a more polished version (mostly attributable to the difference in budgets) of what you are claiming some micros are doing.

95% of Omega latest offerings are either copies of older models or they suck.

Rolex just released an inflated Sub and called it the new seadweller.

IWC is cranking out copies of their older models, only a bit worse because of shitty date placement.

I see most of the industry lacking in originality, not only the micro level.

Borealis offers great watches for the money, allowing a lot of people with smaller budgets to enjoy a hobby they love.

Most of their offerings don't do anything for me, but I don't understand what the problem is.
The difference is that the examples that you provided above are copies or homages to watches that those brands actually designed. See the difference?

Designs are allowed to suck. There are many that do, at all price points...if they are honest attempts, they tend to get a little more respect on DWC than if they borrow from another brand's efforts on the design front and borrow their IP.

Just my take.
The IWC / Omega of today re-issuing a design that is 50 years old has about the same ties to the original watch as any borealis micro.

So assuming I go out and buy a dead brand, then reissue the same old watches they made back in time (happened over and over again) this is ok.
If one micro does the same but putting their own name becaus they don't have the $$$ to buy the rights of the brand, that's not ok?

Can you tell me what the difference is in practical terms?

If one only buys Rolex, Patek, Seiko and a few others I get the reasoning, but so many brands have been resurrected by people who had zero to do with the original design I have a tough time buying your argument.


Obviously the 1:1 replicas rebranded are not part of this discussion, those are just pieces of shit.

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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by JP Chestnut » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:48 pm

tattoo chef wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:33 pm
Okay. That Merker thing is a straight up copy. It's exactly the same except it doesn't say Seiko.
I didn't think it could get worse than the one below, but it does.

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They should have ditched the BB novelty crown and gone with a fake triplock. It would have been better than the original!

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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by JP Chestnut » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:52 pm

Seppia wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:45 pm
andrema wrote:
Seppia wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:31 am
matt.wu wrote:It has everything to do with originality, design, and WORK.
Many of the "new" designs I see today from some of the most respected brands look just like a more polished version (mostly attributable to the difference in budgets) of what you are claiming some micros are doing.

95% of Omega latest offerings are either copies of older models or they suck.

Rolex just released an inflated Sub and called it the new seadweller.

IWC is cranking out copies of their older models, only a bit worse because of shitty date placement.

I see most of the industry lacking in originality, not only the micro level.

Borealis offers great watches for the money, allowing a lot of people with smaller budgets to enjoy a hobby they love.

Most of their offerings don't do anything for me, but I don't understand what the problem is.
The difference is that the examples that you provided above are copies or homages to watches that those brands actually designed. See the difference?

Designs are allowed to suck. There are many that do, at all price points...if they are honest attempts, they tend to get a little more respect on DWC than if they borrow from another brand's efforts on the design front and borrow their IP.

Just my take.
The IWC / Omega of today re-issuing a design that is 50 years old has about the same ties to the original watch as any borealis micro.

So assuming I go out and buy a dead brand, then reissue the same old watches they made back in time (happened over and over again) this is ok.
If one micro does the same but putting their own name becaus they don't have the $$$ to buy the rights of the brand, that's not ok?

Can you tell me what the difference is in practical terms?

If one only buys Rolex, Patek, Seiko and a few others I get the reasoning, but so many brands have been resurrected by people who had zero to do with the original design I have a tough time buying your argument.


Obviously the 1:1 replicas rebranded are not part of this discussion, those are just pieces of shit.
Buy the brand, buy the heritage. It's not like SAS and Halios don't manage to make watches that are
1) original
2) pretty cheap
3) not novelty shit

It can clearly be done, and taking a dump on brands that don't bother... is fine :shrug:

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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by Panerai7 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:45 pm

So glad we have a micro forum on DWC now :lol:
So much entertainment

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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by unixshrk » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:15 pm

Panerai7 wrote:So glad we have a micro forum on DWC now :lol:
So much entertainment
^^ this

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Borealis Medusa

Post by BBK357 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:46 pm

Great thread. Haven't had this lolz since Cesar started his Seiko mod thread.

And Wu... JP's bedside manor...
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Borealis Medusa

Post by r.palace » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:55 pm

CGSshorty wrote:
andrema wrote:Did you get shown the door, Chris? If so, what kind of door was it?


That watch is pretty much over the line for me...a great example of a watch that is still in production that gets copied by some brand to turn a buck.
My favorite part was when he tagged the other Admin, like he was calling for his dad.
Richard Murphy? I recognized his name. He sold me my Pelagos last year on TRF. Seemed like a cool dude. Is he in support of this replica watch tomfoolery?
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Re: Borealis Medusa

Post by Seppia » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:43 am

JP Chestnut wrote: Buy the brand, buy the heritage. It's not like SAS and Halios don't manage to make watches that are
1) original
2) pretty cheap
3) not novelty shit

It can clearly be done, and taking a dump on brands that don't bother... is fine :shrug:
Of course it's fine, DWC would be 30% less entertaining without the shitting on stuff and I see your point, I just think among the micros Borealis ships a product that works great for the intended audience.



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