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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by Chocodove » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:02 am

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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by Joeprez » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:58 am

Did SLA017 sold out? If yes, that would explain the price increase.

The SLA017 is the one I've really liked.


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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by sierra11b » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:13 pm

Looks amazing

Seiko could have sold 25,000 of these with the 6R15 at <$1000 and I would have taken another chance on the 6R15 I swore off.

The price is ridiculous.

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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by sierra11b » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:53 am

Seppia wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:22 pm
I really don’t understand why seiko is making their most attractive watches LE.
Same as the 62mas, they would have sold these by the truckload had they made these regular editions and priced them accordingly.

Instead we’ll get a regular release which is too big, too thick or with too long lugs (likely, all three things).

I understand they want to up their image, but putting an unregulated movement in a nicely done reedition of an old classic and pricing it at Rolex levels when it should be 1/3rd that is t the way to go imo
Right. I was trying to say this in another thread.

It’s like they have two schools of thought running the show... Why only give us the NAFTs, which continue to be a strong hit, and then price everything else in the stratosphere under the same Prospex label? It’s strange unless they knew the NAFT would be the only bone they’d be throwing at us from the start.

Leave “image upping” to GS and leave Prospex in the attainable/affordable/justifiable range.

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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by JBZ » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:28 am

I've given up trying to understand Seiko's business strategy. It makes my head hurt.
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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by Ryeguy » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:20 am

sierra11b wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:53 am
Seppia wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:22 pm
I really don’t understand why seiko is making their most attractive watches LE.
Same as the 62mas, they would have sold these by the truckload had they made these regular editions and priced them accordingly.

Instead we’ll get a regular release which is too big, too thick or with too long lugs (likely, all three things).

I understand they want to up their image, but putting an unregulated movement in a nicely done reedition of an old classic and pricing it at Rolex levels when it should be 1/3rd that is t the way to go imo
Right. I was trying to say this in another thread.

It’s like they have two schools of thought running the show... Why only give us the NAFTs, which continue to be a strong hit, and then price everything else in the stratosphere under the same Prospex label? It’s strange unless they knew the NAFT would be the only bone they’d be throwing at us from the start.

Leave “image upping” to GS and leave Prospex in the attainable/affordable/justifiable range.
I can kind of understand the thought process of making the SLA017 an LE with a luxury price. It was a re-edition of their first attempt at a "professional" level diver's watch. I'm guessing Seiko underestimated the popularity of a 39mm dive watch and produced the limited number figuring only Seiko collectors would be interested. I believe Seiko banked on the larger 42mm / 6R powered version to be the popular choice.

I have a bit more difficulty understanding the logic behind a luxury-level LE of the 6105 which was definitely a "tool watch" of its day.

Maybe Seiko is banking on there being enough guys who lusted after a 6105 back in the mid '70's to now have the disposable income to buy one today at $4,500.

I just think our failure to understand Seiko's logic is simply that we (Seiko enthusiasts who want affordable re-issues that are true to size) aren't their target market.

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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by toxicavenger » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:22 am

JBZ wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:28 am
I've given up trying to understand Seiko/Rolex business strategy. It makes my head hurt.
Fix it for you :mrgreen:

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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by JBZ » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:50 am

toxicavenger wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:22 am
JBZ wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:28 am
I've given up trying to understand Seiko/Rolex business strategy. It makes my head hurt.
Fix it for you :mrgreen:
Well, neither of them probably have to do much of anything that makes sense to us mere mortals. They're both making money hand over fist as far as I can tell.
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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by sierra11b » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:54 am

I’m sure they’ll sell a lot but I’m not convinced they’ll sell out on this one. 6105 owners seem to be saying they they’re happy with what they have and those without an original might be more inclined to find an original instead.

I don’t really care anymore. I’m happy with my turdles and search for another 6139 and possibly a 6306/09. I just hope if there’s a lower end 6105 in the works it has a similar case design so I can mod it as close to original specs as all the parts are available.

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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by matt.wu » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:28 pm

toxicavenger wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:22 am
JBZ wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:28 am
I've given up trying to understand Seiko/Rolex business strategy. It makes my head hurt.
Fix it for you :mrgreen:
Rolex business model is consistent at least - just make everything really exclusive and expensive.

Seiko is all over the place. Some watches cheap, some watches very expensive. Not always a big difference between them.
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Post by JP Chestnut » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:42 pm

I’m not sure a $4500 Seiko is really “Rolex money” these days. A sub is pushing $10,000 now.

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Post by Morethan1 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:30 am

Seppia wrote:I meant you can buy certain rolexes for that price :)
I know it’s apples to oranges, but with $4500 to burn and a choice between this and a 36mm Explorer I it will take me approximately zero seconds to decide
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Post by DEMO » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:38 am

I am so F-n' disappointed in Seiko. I was just reading about this new reissue over on Tlex's OceanicTime this morning and I was drooling all over myself. I thought, finally Seiko is reissuing the 6105 like they did with the Turtle reissue. An affordable really cool iconic watch..... and lots of modding possibilities like the new Turtle.......

....Then I saw that it is a limited reissue at an insane price. WTF!!!! %*&^@#. Seiko sucks rats ass!
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Post by aikiman44 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:43 am

Remember when the Pam geeks used to bitterly complain when new watches weren’t limited editions? Maybe Seiko paid attention.
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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by hidden by leaves » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:57 am

Seppia wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:07 pm
I meant you can buy certain rolexes for that price :)
I know it’s apples to oranges, but with $4500 to burn and a choice between this and a 36mm Explorer I it will take me approximately zero seconds to decide
I was thinking the same thing but with a new Omega SMP... I like the Seiko but the real world choice would be a no brainer for me at that price.
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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by sierra11b » Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:34 pm

DEMO wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:38 am
I am so F-n' disappointed in Seiko. I was just reading about this new reissue over on Tlex's OceanicTime this morning and I was drooling all over myself. I thought, finally Seiko is reissuing the 6105 like they did with the Turtle reissue. An affordable really cool iconic watch..... and lots of modding possibilities like the new Turtle.......

....Then I saw that it is a limited reissue at an insane price. WTF!!!! %*&^@#. Seiko sucks rats ass!
Yep.

They could have easily made this with 6R <$1000 and made all of us happy.

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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by sierra11b » Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:37 pm

hidden by leaves wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:57 am
Seppia wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:07 pm
I meant you can buy certain rolexes for that price :)
I know it’s apples to oranges, but with $4500 to burn and a choice between this and a 36mm Explorer I it will take me approximately zero seconds to decide
I was thinking the same thing but with a new Omega SMP... I like the Seiko but the real world choice would be a no brainer for me at that price.
Exactly.

I bought my 8900cal 43.5mm PO for $4500. :shock:

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Post by namor » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:17 pm

This may be a reflection of bias against Seiko because of the wide price range they cover. In the late 70's you could buy a Rolex tool watch - a Submariner - for about $400. The tool diver - 6105 - from Seiko was about $170. (As a side note, the 6159 divers cost $600 back then, 50% more than a Sub. With a 36000 bph in house movement, and 50% greater WR than a Sub, it wasn't an unreasonable price point).

Now that 'tool' Rolex costs $8000, and the L.E. Seiko (with an undecorated GS movement) costs $4100. The pricing ratio is not that dissimilar to what it was 40 years ago. No one begrudges Rolex for having moved its tool watch prices deeply into luxury levels, but we obsess over the price of the comparable Seiko offering. Its because Seiko still makes actual tool watches priced in a working man's reach. What is a more logical tack for us to take is to bemoan the fact that Rolex didn't continue to make an affordable tool watch while converting the Sub and its siblings into luxe items!
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Post by JP Chestnut » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:25 pm

I really don't think $4000 is bad for a high quality watch in 2019. With that said, I seem to be one of the only people who doesn't like this watch. Sorry to say, but the case looks like a blob of shit sitting on your wrist with a watch dial stuck in it.

I like Seiko. I'd pay $4000 for one. Just not this one. Good for those who like it though - one less person to compete with to get one.

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Post by Nellipj » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:46 pm

I’m with JP on this one. This has always been my least favorite Seiko. The case design to strap width has always bugged me. I don’t have a problem with the cost for a LE version as they hold their value pretty well, but this one is a hard pass for me design wise.

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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by Panerai7 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:57 pm

Unfortunately this watch doesn't work for me aesthetically neither for Rolex money nor Turtle money.

I was one of the "idiots" who paid for SLA017. The case is perhaps my favorite shape of any Seiko I've ever seen. But while it was great for what it was it didn't feel like a $3500 watch. The bezel didn't align at absolute 12, the crown was a little gritty and the whole finishing didn't smell like $3500 watch.

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Post by Torrid » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:00 pm

JP Chestnut wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:25 pm
I really don't think $4000 is bad for a high quality watch in 2019. With that said, I seem to be one of the only people who doesn't like this watch. Sorry to say, but the case looks like a blob of shit sitting on your wrist with a watch dial stuck in it.

I like Seiko. I'd pay $4000 for one. Just not this one. Good for those who like it though - one less person to compete with to get one.
I like the dial and hands but like you I’ve never really been a fan of the 6105 look. The 6309 and 6159 are vastly better.

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Post by Panerai7 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:02 pm

JP Chestnut wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:25 pm
I really don't think $4000 is bad for a high quality watch in 2019. With that said, I seem to be one of the only people who doesn't like this watch. Sorry to say, but the case looks like a blob of shit sitting on your wrist with a watch dial stuck in it.

I like Seiko. I'd pay $4000 for one. Just not this one. Good for those who like it though - one less person to compete with to get one.
I'm glad I'm not the only one. It's hideous.
And the "doxa" like pregnant case on a narrow strap looks bad.

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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by JP Chestnut » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:30 pm

Panerai7 wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:57 pm
Unfortunately this watch doesn't work for me aesthetically neither for Rolex money nor Turtle money.

I was one of the "idiots" who paid for SLA017. The case is perhaps my favorite shape of any Seiko I've ever seen. But while it was great for what it was it didn't feel like a $3500 watch. The bezel didn't align at absolute 12, the crown was a little gritty and the whole finishing didn't smell like $3500 watch.
Was is as nice as a 2500D PO? I saw a SLA017 for $2700 recently and thought about buying it. I liked the look of that one when it came out and I still do.

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Re: SLA033J1 aka modern 6105

Post by JP Chestnut » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:31 pm

Panerai7 wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:02 pm
JP Chestnut wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:25 pm
I really don't think $4000 is bad for a high quality watch in 2019. With that said, I seem to be one of the only people who doesn't like this watch. Sorry to say, but the case looks like a blob of shit sitting on your wrist with a watch dial stuck in it.

I like Seiko. I'd pay $4000 for one. Just not this one. Good for those who like it though - one less person to compete with to get one.
I'm glad I'm not the only one. It's hideous.
And the "doxa" like pregnant case on a narrow strap looks bad.
I can't figure out why I hate it so much. The original is really really similar but there's something about it that isn't as bad.

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