Seiko 6R15 balance issues

Post by **toxicavenger** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:18 pm

Check this video out from Spencer Klein. Pretty crazy considering I had some watches in with this issue.

Torrid · Post by **Torrid** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:58 pm

The video isn't showing in Tapatalk if you posted it, but this is the same one I likely saw a while back when I was asking you about 6R15s. Crazy stuff as he made it sound like a regular seen problem.

Torrid · Post by **Torrid** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:15 pm

Yep, video works on the site. I didn't see this video before. There's a fix! I was actually talking about Spencer today. A guy at work wanted to get his 007 fixed instead of buying a new one and he was my first thought. I'm not sure if his is a C movement, but his just quit working.

59yukon01 · Post by **59yukon01** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:22 pm

Can't even see the video from Tapatalk, and accessing it directly on the site, at last through my phone, it won't even open.

.....never mind.

Torrid · Post by **Torrid** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:33 pm

I did some searching and I'm coming up empty. What's the best way to get in contact with Spencer?

r.palace · Post by **r.palace** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:35 pm

My watchmaker told me all 6R15s suffer from one issue some way or another. They all came that way from the factory (balance wheel, over oiled, under oiled, etc). After owning 5 watches with the same movement, I'd agree

Post by **toxicavenger** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:07 pm

Torrid wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:33 pm
I did some searching and I'm coming up empty. What's the best way to get in contact with Spencer?

kleinvintagewatchrepair@gmail.com

Post by **toxicavenger** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:50 pm

Spencer posted this info on reddit:
The "C" type balances used in the 4R and 6R movements are fatally flawed. You can retrofit a complete "A" assembly - balance, balance bridge, diashock, etc - and I have seen this make immediate improvements.

Selym · Post by **Selym** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:53 pm

Unless I missed it, he never explains what the issue is, just that there is an issue.

59yukon01 · Post by **59yukon01** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:19 pm

toxicavenger wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:50 pm
Spencer posted this info on reddit:
The "C" type balances used in the 4R and 6R movements are fatally flawed. You can retrofit a complete "A" assembly - balance, balance bridge, diashock, etc - and I have seen this make immediate improvements.

Would that even be a worthwhile and cost effective switch out?

Post by **toxicavenger** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:33 pm

59yukon01 wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:19 pm

toxicavenger wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:50 pm
Spencer posted this info on reddit:
The "C" type balances used in the 4R and 6R movements are fatally flawed. You can retrofit a complete "A" assembly - balance, balance bridge, diashock, etc - and I have seen this make immediate improvements.
Would that even be a worthwhile and cost effective switch out?

I would probably get another movement instead.

Torrid · Post by **Torrid** » Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:42 am

My buddy checked with him for a movement issue with his 7S26. It was going to be more cost effective by a fairly large margin to just buy a new SKX007.

With the Seikos I've had most must have been pre C balances other than the SARX and one of my Sumos. The SARX was overall pretty accurate but very sensitive off full wind.

JP Chestnut · Post by **JP Chestnut** » Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:56 am

So current cheap seiko autos are crap? Is that the takeaway?

Torrid · Post by **Torrid** » Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:08 am

Unfortunately yes, I think that may be the case.

sierra11b · Post by **sierra11b** » Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:30 pm

Shame.

Spencer word is Seiko gospel. I won't be touching any new Seiko 4R or 6R with the C balance now.

He helped me vet my 6139 and told me which parts to horde in order keep it running an additional lifetime because the movement has a flaw if you aren't running the chrono continuously. Now I have two complete 6139B movements and a rare NOS sealed center chrono wheel worth about $100. He didn't need to give me that info because he's always searching himself.

More on it here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH-gq2T5Bxo[/youtube]

hoppyjr · Post by **hoppyjr** » Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:54 pm

Save me some reading -

When did the "c" balance come into play?

Torrid · Post by **Torrid** » Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:22 pm

3-5 years ago.

DenverBuff · Post by **DenverBuff** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:51 am

Huh. Back to solar/quartz I guess.

But seriously, I wonder what the percentage is when it comes to iffy Seiko movements. I have an 007 built in 2016 that runs about consistently -10 a day - which is fine by me.

Then again, I picked a pre-owned late model Monster last year that ran horribly. Even Fred Amos couldn't tame it.

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