Seiko cracking down on JDM watches being sold in the US

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Re: Seiko cracking down on JDM watches being sold in the US

Post by toxicavenger » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:16 am

Seppia wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:43 am
rockmastermike wrote:
Skinny Rogers wrote:
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rockmastermike wrote:sounds like a "premium" will be paid by buyers of JDM to private sellers of JDM.
this sucks
This.

Seiko watches already sell higher than they should for discontinued or hard to get models in my opinion.

This will make things worse....


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In fairness, it was about time that Seiko stopped screwing the USA ADs.
I remember when I bought my GS quartz I contacted AZ fine time (I think they were the only ones at the time) and we had a fairly open conversation. Joe basically said they could not align to the price that the Japanese were practicing.

I was sad not to buy from him, but the difference was like 20% if not more IIRC.

I can only imagine the frustration of guys like Timeless Luxury Watches (or Topper), who put in a lot of effort to push and promote a brand, only to get fucked by Japanese ADs undercutting them.
Mimo's told me the same thing a while back.

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Re: Seiko cracking down on JDM watches being sold in the US

Post by Torrid » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:19 am

sierra11b wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:30 pm
Not to derail this thread but anyone catch the WUS "street price" thread on the SLA033? Seems the perceived value isn't $4.5K. Shocker! :rolleyes:

https://forums.watchuseek.com/f21/new-s ... st49524395

https://forums.watchuseek.com/f21/new-s ... st49547155

Saw this one coming a mile away, and some of the owners are trying to save face by bashing the opposition. Nothing beats the perceived price:quality of the turdle for this style of watch, and I'll even throw-in the modern Samurai. If you want alien-build quality you have to stick with GS.

8L35 under the hood should have been the same price as the current MM300 renditions max, although as mentioned here, I still think it's overpriced for both.

They shit the bed on this one and we called it out of the gate... They should have offered it with the 6R movement and sold it <$1000 as a Shogun alternative all day long. WTF are they smoking? I'd have one on my wrist while typing this. :banghead:
I’d be curious to handle this reissue. I love it in pictures but I can’t wrap my head around the price. If the finishing is no stronger than the NAFT that kind of shoots it. The NAFT isn’t bad but the finishing is nothing special.

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Re: Seiko cracking down on JDM watches being sold in the US

Post by Torrid » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:23 am

Seppia wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:43 am
rockmastermike wrote:
Skinny Rogers wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:07 pm
rockmastermike wrote:sounds like a "premium" will be paid by buyers of JDM to private sellers of JDM.
this sucks
This.

Seiko watches already sell higher than they should for discontinued or hard to get models in my opinion.

This will make things worse....


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Seiko is the new Rolex :banghead:
In fairness, it was about time that Seiko stopped screwing the USA ADs.
I remember when I bought my GS quartz I contacted AZ fine time (I think they were the only ones at the time) and we had a fairly open conversation. Joe basically said they could not align to the price that the Japanese were practicing.

I was sad not to buy from him, but the difference was like 20% if not more IIRC.

I can only imagine the frustration of guys like Timeless Luxury Watches (or Topper), who put in a lot of effort to push and promote a brand, only to get fucked by Japanese ADs undercutting them.
My last purchase I picked up from Topper. They had a good deal on the square metal G but after getting free 2 day shipping from a US seller that would be enough perk to spend a few bucks extra next time as well. Every time something comes internationally it allows even more places for packages to go missing. I’d definitely buy from Timeless as well.

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Re: Seiko cracking down on JDM watches being sold in the US

Post by 11GTCS » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:58 am

Man this is a real pity. Almost all the Seiko watches I care about are JDM (or discontinued, thanks Seiko). I don't see this as helping the US AD's, the only reason I'd buy from LIW or the like (though Marc is a great guy) is to get a watch I'm interested in, and those are the JDM models. Obviously they can't sell them as AD's per say, but when they're being sold gray market alongside the other AD stuff I'm more likely to give them business.

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Post by ripper » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:52 am

Seppia wrote:
apnk wrote:Oh man, is the SBBN031/33 tuna's JDM only?
No, but they sell for more via the official channels in the USA and for MUCH more in Europe.
Yes, it's JDM. I'm not sure about USA but it's not officially available in Europe.

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Post by Seppia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:56 am

I saw tunas in the seiko Boutique in Paris. Or was I drunk (could be)?

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Post by ripper » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:55 pm

Seppia wrote:I saw tunas in the seiko Boutique in Paris. Or was I drunk (could be)?
Yes you saw. It was an exception. Sometimes you can find JDM models in boutiques only with quite high price. I found this article on Fratello that also confirms.
"A pity, as I believe that Seiko could be really strong with some of the models that they keep as ‘JDM’ right now. Examples are the Marinemaster 300 and Marinemaster 1000 (Tuna) models. For some of these models, small exceptions are being made to offer them for sale via the Seiko Boutiques (instead of the regular retail channels), but there is quite a mark-up on the price of these “import” models."

https://www.fratellowatches.com/seiko-f ... rt-part-2/



I tried to order mine Tuna here in Europe through Seiko Germany which is main importer for our region and they said that this models aren't available here. They can't import it.
I also never saw them at any retailer or online European shop.



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Post by logan2z » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:18 am

I guess they made an exception for Hodinkee...

https://shop.hodinkee.com/products/seik ... 0124922955

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Post by Panerai7 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:34 am

logan2z wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:18 am
I guess they made an exception for Hodinkee...

https://shop.hodinkee.com/products/seik ... 0124922955
I've been meaning to pick this one up and Ho Dinkee email showed to remind me, so I just ordered the same watch for ~225 less :)

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Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:43 am

Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:34 am
logan2z wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:18 am
I guess they made an exception for Hodinkee...

https://shop.hodinkee.com/products/seik ... 0124922955
I've been meaning to pick this one up and Ho Dinkee email showed to remind me, so I just ordered the same watch for ~225 less :)
Too bad your crappy Seiko has never been within 10,000 feet of Ben Clymer! That's easily worth two hundo.

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Re: Seiko cracking down on JDM watches being sold in the US

Post by GTR83 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:46 am

Torrid wrote:
sierra11b wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:30 pm
Not to derail this thread but anyone catch the WUS "street price" thread on the SLA033? Seems the perceived value isn't $4.5K. Shocker! :rolleyes:

https://forums.watchuseek.com/f21/new-s ... st49524395

https://forums.watchuseek.com/f21/new-s ... st49547155

Saw this one coming a mile away, and some of the owners are trying to save face by bashing the opposition. Nothing beats the perceived price:quality of the turdle for this style of watch, and I'll even throw-in the modern Samurai. If you want alien-build quality you have to stick with GS.

8L35 under the hood should have been the same price as the current MM300 renditions max, although as mentioned here, I still think it's overpriced for both.

They shit the bed on this one and we called it out of the gate... They should have offered it with the 6R movement and sold it <$1000 as a Shogun alternative all day long. WTF are they smoking? I'd have one on my wrist while typing this. :banghead:
I’d be curious to handle this reissue. I love it in pictures but I can’t wrap my head around the price. If the finishing is no stronger than the NAFT that kind of shoots it. The NAFT isn’t bad but the finishing is nothing special.
Fondled it for some time yesterday and I refrained from posting about it on WUS after I saw the heated debates with the delusional fanboys trying to save their "investments". Anyone who says these 033s are finished to the level of a GS or even the higher end Marinemasters are at best confused, or outright liars at worst. Here are some quick pics. ImageImageImageImage

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Re: Seiko cracking down on JDM watches being sold in the US

Post by Panerai7 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:52 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:43 am
Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:34 am
logan2z wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:18 am
I guess they made an exception for Hodinkee...

https://shop.hodinkee.com/products/seik ... 0124922955
I've been meaning to pick this one up and Ho Dinkee email showed to remind me, so I just ordered the same watch for ~225 less :)
Too bad your crappy Seiko has never been within 10,000 feet of Ben Clymer! That's easily worth two hundo.
Very true, I had to stay within my budget and opted for no Ben's DNA on the watch :(

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Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:53 am

Image

I realize we have at least one DWCer who has one and likes it, but that watch doesn't appeal to me at all. The case shape manages to be blobby, too wide, and thick looking on the wrist. If a micro came out with that case, everyone would hate on it.
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Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:54 am

Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:52 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:43 am
Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:34 am
logan2z wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:18 am
I guess they made an exception for Hodinkee...

https://shop.hodinkee.com/products/seik ... 0124922955
I've been meaning to pick this one up and Ho Dinkee email showed to remind me, so I just ordered the same watch for ~225 less :)
Too bad your crappy Seiko has never been within 10,000 feet of Ben Clymer! That's easily worth two hundo.
Very true, I had to stay within my budget and opted for no Ben's DNA on the watch :(
You sound like a poor. I doubt Hoedickey would have even let you buy it.

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Post by Panerai7 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:56 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:53 am
Image

I realize we have at least one DWCer who has one and likes it, but that watch doesn't appeal to me at all. The case shape manages to be blobby, too wide, and thick looking on the wrist. If a micro came out with that case, everyone would hate on it.
+1 I can't stand that watch and 20mm strap on that pregnant case exaggerates bad proportions even further. 62Mas was their best Re-issue "high-end" Diver

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Post by Panerai7 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:58 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:54 am
Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:52 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:43 am
Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:34 am
logan2z wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:18 am
I guess they made an exception for Hodinkee...

https://shop.hodinkee.com/products/seik ... 0124922955
I've been meaning to pick this one up and Ho Dinkee email showed to remind me, so I just ordered the same watch for ~225 less :)
Too bad your crappy Seiko has never been within 10,000 feet of Ben Clymer! That's easily worth two hundo.
Very true, I had to stay within my budget and opted for no Ben's DNA on the watch :(
You sound like a poor. I doubt Hoedickey would have even let you buy it.
What if I got the same cardigan and took nervous sips like Ben from Ho Donkee branded 4 Oz bottle of water? Could I be part of the cool club

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Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:01 am

Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:58 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:54 am
Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:52 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:43 am
Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:34 am
logan2z wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:18 am
I guess they made an exception for Hodinkee...

https://shop.hodinkee.com/products/seik ... 0124922955
I've been meaning to pick this one up and Ho Dinkee email showed to remind me, so I just ordered the same watch for ~225 less :)
Too bad your crappy Seiko has never been within 10,000 feet of Ben Clymer! That's easily worth two hundo.
Very true, I had to stay within my budget and opted for no Ben's DNA on the watch :(
You sound like a poor. I doubt Hoedickey would have even let you buy it.
What if I got the same cardigan and took nervous sips like Ben from Ho Donkee branded 4 Oz bottle of water? Could I be part of the cool club
No. We can smell social risers. If your family didn't arrive on the Mayflower and you don't come from at least three generations of 1% wealth we can tell. I bet you don't even summer in the Hamptons!

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Post by GTR83 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:02 am

JP Chestnut wrote:Image

I realize we have at least one DWCer who has one and likes it, but that watch doesn't appeal to me at all. The case shape manages to be blobby, too wide, and thick looking on the wrist. If a micro came out with that case, everyone would hate on it.
I like it but not enough to pay anything over $1,500. I personally know several local "collectors" who rushed to buy it on launch day citing its legendary status, heritage, and various other bullcrap to justify the purchase, while it's painfully obvious they only buy it because they expect to get at least 50% profit when they sell it in 1-2 years.

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Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:03 am

GTR83 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:02 am
JP Chestnut wrote:Image

I realize we have at least one DWCer who has one and likes it, but that watch doesn't appeal to me at all. The case shape manages to be blobby, too wide, and thick looking on the wrist. If a micro came out with that case, everyone would hate on it.
I like it but not enough to pay anything over $1,500. I personally know several local "collectors" who rushed to buy it on launch day citing its legendary status, heritage, and various other bullcrap to justify the purchase, while it's painfully obvious they only buy it because they expect to get at least 50% profit when they sell it in 1-2 years.

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JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:01 am
Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:58 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:54 am
Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:52 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:43 am
Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:34 am
logan2z wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:18 am
I guess they made an exception for Hodinkee...

https://shop.hodinkee.com/products/seik ... 0124922955
I've been meaning to pick this one up and Ho Dinkee email showed to remind me, so I just ordered the same watch for ~225 less :)
Too bad your crappy Seiko has never been within 10,000 feet of Ben Clymer! That's easily worth two hundo.
Very true, I had to stay within my budget and opted for no Ben's DNA on the watch :(
You sound like a poor. I doubt Hoedickey would have even let you buy it.
What if I got the same cardigan and took nervous sips like Ben from Ho Donkee branded 4 Oz bottle of water? Could I be part of the cool club
No. We can smell social risers. If your family didn't arrive on the Mayflower and you don't come from at least three generations of 1% wealth we can tell. I bet you don't even summer in the Hamptons!
Lol, I don’t even know exactly where Hamptons is :lol:

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Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:07 am

Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:06 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:01 am
Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:58 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:54 am
Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:52 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:43 am
Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:34 am
logan2z wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:18 am
I guess they made an exception for Hodinkee...

https://shop.hodinkee.com/products/seik ... 0124922955
I've been meaning to pick this one up and Ho Dinkee email showed to remind me, so I just ordered the same watch for ~225 less :)
Too bad your crappy Seiko has never been within 10,000 feet of Ben Clymer! That's easily worth two hundo.
Very true, I had to stay within my budget and opted for no Ben's DNA on the watch :(
You sound like a poor. I doubt Hoedickey would have even let you buy it.
What if I got the same cardigan and took nervous sips like Ben from Ho Donkee branded 4 Oz bottle of water? Could I be part of the cool club
No. We can smell social risers. If your family didn't arrive on the Mayflower and you don't come from at least three generations of 1% wealth we can tell. I bet you don't even summer in the Hamptons!
Lol, I don’t even know exactly where Hamptons is :lol:
Exactly. And don't expect anyone to tell you either. It's like shangrala. Only the worthy ever find it.

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Re: Seiko cracking down on JDM watches being sold in the US

Post by logan2z » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:44 am

Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:06 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:01 am
Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:58 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:54 am
Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:52 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:43 am
Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:34 am
logan2z wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:18 am
I guess they made an exception for Hodinkee...

https://shop.hodinkee.com/products/seik ... 0124922955
I've been meaning to pick this one up and Ho Dinkee email showed to remind me, so I just ordered the same watch for ~225 less :)
Too bad your crappy Seiko has never been within 10,000 feet of Ben Clymer! That's easily worth two hundo.
Very true, I had to stay within my budget and opted for no Ben's DNA on the watch :(
You sound like a poor. I doubt Hoedickey would have even let you buy it.
What if I got the same cardigan and took nervous sips like Ben from Ho Donkee branded 4 Oz bottle of water? Could I be part of the cool club
No. We can smell social risers. If your family didn't arrive on the Mayflower and you don't come from at least three generations of 1% wealth we can tell. I bet you don't even summer in the Hamptons!
Lol, I don’t even know exactly where Hamptons is :lol:
Real estate in the Hamptons is a 'bargain' now.

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