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Re: Down jacket ideas

Post by fastward » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:28 am

Yes, the higher the number, the warmer the jacket.

I have both down and synthetic. Down is warmer, but the synthetic packs down to nothing. Better for traveling.

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Re: Down jacket ideas

Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:37 am

The main benefit of synthetic is water. When down gets wet the warmth is terrible. Even the new hydrophobic down isn't good.

Synthetic is heavier, less long lasting, and doesn't pack as well. But it's cheaper and works when wet.

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Re: Down jacket ideas

Post by ItnStln » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:43 am

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So, educate a noob to the puffy jacket.. ( I tend to wear thinner multiple layers to be able to adapt to the rapidly changing Colorado weather).
What is this 850, 700 etc fill?
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These all weigh the same. Higher number holds more air and hence keeps you warmer.
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DoctorC wrote:So, educate a noob to the puffy jacket.. ( I tend to wear thinner multiple layers to be able to adapt to the rapidly changing Colorado weather).
What is this 850, 700 etc fill?
https://www.heddels.com/2018/01/down-fi ... plained-2/




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Thanks I was about to ask about the different weights.

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Re: Down jacket ideas

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How does down compare to PrimaLoft?

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Re: Down jacket ideas

Post by Chocodove » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:55 am

ItnStln wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:45 am
How does down compare to PrimaLoft?
Primaloft is heavier, but in my experience just as warm if it is their premiere fill (Gold, used to be called One). My belay jack is Primaloft since in the NE the winters are wet and as mentioned you don't want down getting soaked. You could dunk a Primaloft (or other synthetic) in a bucket of water, put it on, and it would be just as insulating as it was when dry. If down gets wet and freezes, you're in trouble.
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Re: Down jacket ideas

Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:55 am

ItnStln wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:45 am
How does down compare to PrimaLoft?
Primaloft is synthetic. It's impossible to keep all the names straight:
http://www.primaloft.com/insulation

I'm wearing some version of primaloft right now. It's not very compressible and it's heavy. Fine for a mid layer, but not sure about a jacket made of it. If I wanted a synthetic jacket, I'd probably hunt one of these (discontinued) down:
https://www.rei.com/product/855095/pata ... parka-mens

I bet that they're going to release an updated version with some new synthetic soon. Here's the nearest alternative:
https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/reviews/ ... puff-hoody
100g versus 120g from the DAS.
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Re: Down jacket ideas

Post by Chocodove » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:57 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:55 am
ItnStln wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:45 am
How does down compare to PrimaLoft?
Primaloft is synthetic. It's impossible to keep all the names straight:
http://www.primaloft.com/insulation

I'm wearing some version of primaloft right now. It's not very compressible and it's heavy. Fine for a mid layer, but not sure about a jacket made of it. If I wanted a synthetic jacket, I'd probably hunt one of these (discontinued) down:
https://www.rei.com/product/855095/pata ... parka-mens
The DAS is exactly what I use in the mountains, but the previous version that had a better fit than this one (Pata keeps screwing that up). It's nice to know I could survive a night out in an emergency.
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Re: Down jacket ideas

Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:00 pm

This has been an interesting thread. I need to replace my Patagonia nano puff mid layer. I've loved that thing - easily my best ever clothes purchase.

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Re: Down jacket ideas

Post by ItnStln » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:08 pm

Chocodove wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:45 am
How does down compare to PrimaLoft?
Primaloft is heavier, but in my experience just as warm if it is their premiere fill (Gold, used to be called One). My belay jack is Primaloft since in the NE the winters are wet and as mentioned you don't want down getting soaked. You could dunk a Primaloft (or other synthetic) in a bucket of water, put it on, and it would be just as insulating as it was when dry. If down gets wet and freezes, you're in trouble.
Thanks I was looking for a PrimaLoft coat and saw this thread about down. Since i want something versatile it seems like PrimaLoft has an advantage since it can get wet.

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Re: Down jacket ideas

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JP Chestnut wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:45 am
How does down compare to PrimaLoft?
Primaloft is synthetic. It's impossible to keep all the names straight:
http://www.primaloft.com/insulation

I'm wearing some version of primaloft right now. It's not very compressible and it's heavy. Fine for a mid layer, but not sure about a jacket made of it. If I wanted a synthetic jacket, I'd probably hunt one of these (discontinued) down:
https://www.rei.com/product/855095/pata ... parka-mens

I bet that they're going to release an updated version with some new synthetic soon. Here's the nearest alternative:
https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/reviews/ ... puff-hoody
100g versus 120g from the DAS.
I'll look into the Patagonia DAS, thanks!

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Re: Down jacket ideas

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Chocodove wrote:
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:55 am
ItnStln wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:45 am
How does down compare to PrimaLoft?
Primaloft is synthetic. It's impossible to keep all the names straight:
http://www.primaloft.com/insulation

I'm wearing some version of primaloft right now. It's not very compressible and it's heavy. Fine for a mid layer, but not sure about a jacket made of it. If I wanted a synthetic jacket, I'd probably hunt one of these (discontinued) down:
https://www.rei.com/product/855095/pata ... parka-mens
The DAS is exactly what I use in the mountains, but the previous version that had a better fit than this one (Pata keeps screwing that up). It's nice to know I could survive a night out in an emergency.
I'm going to search for a Patagonia DAS, thanks! How do they fit? Are they tried to size or do they run large or small?

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Post by Chocodove » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:13 pm

Best to try them on if at all possible. They are designed as a belay jacket, so they are cut very roomy. My version is appropriately huge in a medium since it is meant to go over three or four other layers very easily. The one Jacob linked to is the newer version that they slimmed down a bit (there goes Pata fucking up the fits again), but from what I understand it is still oversized. I'd err on sizing down if you can't try them on.
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Post by ItnStln » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:15 pm

Chocodove wrote:Best to try them on if at all possible. They are designed as a belay jacket, so they are cut very roomy. My version is appropriately huge in a medium since it is meant to go over three or four other layers very easily. The one Jacob linked to is the newer version that they slimmed down a bit (there goes Pata fucking up the fits again), but from what I understand it is still oversized. I'd err on sizing down if you can't try them on.
Thanks!

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ItnStln wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:15 pm
Chocodove wrote:Best to try them on if at all possible. They are designed as a belay jacket, so they are cut very roomy. My version is appropriately huge in a medium since it is meant to go over three or four other layers very easily. The one Jacob linked to is the newer version that they slimmed down a bit (there goes Pata fucking up the fits again), but from what I understand it is still oversized. I'd err on sizing down if you can't try them on.
Thanks!
And in all honesty, if you are down in MD the DAS may be a bit overkill. You may want to look at the Nano Puff instead. They fit true to size and are much warmer than you would expect by just looking at them.
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Re: Down jacket ideas

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Chocodove wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:15 pm
Chocodove wrote:Best to try them on if at all possible. They are designed as a belay jacket, so they are cut very roomy. My version is appropriately huge in a medium since it is meant to go over three or four other layers very easily. The one Jacob linked to is the newer version that they slimmed down a bit (there goes Pata fucking up the fits again), but from what I understand it is still oversized. I'd err on sizing down if you can't try them on.
Thanks!
And in all honesty, if you are down in MD the DAS may be a bit overkill. You may want to look at the Nano Puff instead. They fit true to size and are much warmer than you would expect by just looking at them.
I'll check out the Nano Puff as well, thanks for the recommendation!

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Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:22 pm

Definitely try on. I'm a 38 in slim suits and a small gives a proper relaxed fit. I could go XS jackets, but not mid layers.

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ItnStln wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:09 pm
JP Chestnut wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:45 am
How does down compare to PrimaLoft?
Primaloft is synthetic. It's impossible to keep all the names straight:
http://www.primaloft.com/insulation

I'm wearing some version of primaloft right now. It's not very compressible and it's heavy. Fine for a mid layer, but not sure about a jacket made of it. If I wanted a synthetic jacket, I'd probably hunt one of these (discontinued) down:
https://www.rei.com/product/855095/pata ... parka-mens

I bet that they're going to release an updated version with some new synthetic soon. Here's the nearest alternative:
https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/reviews/ ... puff-hoody
100g versus 120g from the DAS.
I'll look into the Patagonia DAS, thanks!
I recommend you try the DAS on to size it. I am a medium in most Patagonia clothes, but the medium DAS was massive on me. It is because it is designed for layering multiple clothing pieces underneath.

Edit - just realized Todd already covered this :grin:

I had an issue with my Nano puff threads coming loose. The way it was stitched, when one thread came loose it basically unraveled. That's on of the only Patagonia items that disappointed me. I returned it less than a week after purchase. Now I wear their standard down sweater for casual stuff. It works fine, but the nano looked much nicer.

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Re: Down jacket ideas

Post by dukerules » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:52 pm

I swear by my 800-fill Patagonia down sweater jacket. Really freaking warm, lightweight, and easily packable. But then again, I love in NC. I like Canada Goose, but have no need for that sort of warmth.

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Re: Down jacket ideas

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Post by Erratic101 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:27 pm

ItnStln wrote:
Chocodove wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:45 am
How does down compare to PrimaLoft?
Primaloft is heavier, but in my experience just as warm if it is their premiere fill (Gold, used to be called One). My belay jack is Primaloft since in the NE the winters are wet and as mentioned you don't want down getting soaked. You could dunk a Primaloft (or other synthetic) in a bucket of water, put it on, and it would be just as insulating as it was when dry. If down gets wet and freezes, you're in trouble.
Thanks I was looking for a PrimaLoft coat and saw this thread about down. Since i want something versatile it seems like PrimaLoft has an advantage since it can get wet.
I’ve recently picked up the North Face Thermoball jacket. It’s primaloft. Can pack into the pocket (which is nice if you’re out hiking) and feels incredibly light (avg weight is about 12oz). So far it’s been super warm. It has gotten wet and kept me warm and dry, and it dried out pretty quick.

https://www.thenorthface.com/shop/mens- ... t-nf0a39ng

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Re: Down jacket ideas

Post by ItnStln » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:42 pm

JP Chestnut wrote:Definitely try on. I'm a 38 in slim suits and a small gives a proper relaxed fit. I could go XS jackets, but not mid layers.
Will do!

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Re: Down jacket ideas

Post by ItnStln » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:43 pm


streetracer101 wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:09 pm
JP Chestnut wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:45 am
How does down compare to PrimaLoft?
Primaloft is synthetic. It's impossible to keep all the names straight:
http://www.primaloft.com/insulation

I'm wearing some version of primaloft right now. It's not very compressible and it's heavy. Fine for a mid layer, but not sure about a jacket made of it. If I wanted a synthetic jacket, I'd probably hunt one of these (discontinued) down:
https://www.rei.com/product/855095/pata ... parka-mens

I bet that they're going to release an updated version with some new synthetic soon. Here's the nearest alternative:
https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/reviews/ ... puff-hoody
100g versus 120g from the DAS.
I'll look into the Patagonia DAS, thanks!
I recommend you try the DAS on to size it. I am a medium in most Patagonia clothes, but the medium DAS was massive on me. It is because it is designed for layering multiple clothing pieces underneath.

Edit - just realized Todd already covered this :grin:

I had an issue with my Nano puff threads coming loose. The way it was stitched, when one thread came loose it basically unraveled. That's on of the only Patagonia items that disappointed me. I returned it less than a week after purchase. Now I wear their standard down sweater for casual stuff. It works fine, but the nano looked much nicer.
Thanks! Can you post a link to their sweater you're talking about?

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Re: Down jacket ideas

Post by ItnStln » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:44 pm

Erratic101 wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
Chocodove wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:45 am
How does down compare to PrimaLoft?
Primaloft is heavier, but in my experience just as warm if it is their premiere fill (Gold, used to be called One). My belay jack is Primaloft since in the NE the winters are wet and as mentioned you don't want down getting soaked. You could dunk a Primaloft (or other synthetic) in a bucket of water, put it on, and it would be just as insulating as it was when dry. If down gets wet and freezes, you're in trouble.
Thanks I was looking for a PrimaLoft coat and saw this thread about down. Since i want something versatile it seems like PrimaLoft has an advantage since it can get wet.
I’ve recently picked up the North Face Thermoball jacket. It’s primaloft. Can pack into the pocket (which is nice if you’re out hiking) and feels incredibly light (avg weight is about 12oz). So far it’s been super warm. It has gotten wet and kept me warm and dry, and it dried out pretty quick.

https://www.thenorthface.com/shop/mens- ... t-nf0a39ng
I'll check it out, thanks! How's the quality? I've noticed some of my newer North Face coats didn't feel as nice as the older ones I've had.

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Re: Down jacket ideas

Post by dukerules » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:47 pm

fastward wrote:Image


Things are going crazy in NC with the storm.
My office is shutdown and everyone is panicking. It’s a real storm.


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Yep. We got about 11 inches of snow at my house and people are going crazy.

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Re: Down jacket ideas

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11” and brine won’t do much.


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