PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

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PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by logan2z » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:51 am

Panerai seems to have recently embraced the blue dial in a big way.

Bucherer in collaboration with Panerai.

Based on the PAM572. 45mm 1940 Radiomir case, Blue dial, P.4000 3 day automatic movement, LE of 100 pieces, $11K.

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by Panerai7 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:55 am

Pretty blue.
-Automatic on the dial
-No Crown Guard
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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by logan2z » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:00 am

Panerai7 wrote: -No Crown Guard
Pass
So no Radiomirs then.

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by Panerai7 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:09 am

logan2z wrote:
Panerai7 wrote: -No Crown Guard
Pass
So no Radiomirs then.
Nope. Would you buy your AP if it didn't have screws in the bezel? Nope :dance:

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by CGSshorty » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:10 am

I like it, but I'm all about the crown guard on Panerai.
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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by logan2z » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:11 am

Panerai7 wrote:
logan2z wrote:
Panerai7 wrote: -No Crown Guard
Pass
So no Radiomirs then.
Nope. Would you buy your AP if it didn't have screws in the bezel? Nope :dance:
Well, an AP without screws in the bezel isn't an AP. A Radiomir is a legitimate Panerai :bootyshake:

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by Panerai7 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:18 am

logan2z wrote:
Panerai7 wrote:
logan2z wrote:
Panerai7 wrote: -No Crown Guard
Pass
So no Radiomirs then.
Nope. Would you buy your AP if it didn't have screws in the bezel? Nope :dance:
Well, an AP without screws in the bezel isn't an AP. A Radiomir is a legitimate Panerai :bootyshake:
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Precisely not, I don't care if you pull out some Panerai Museum piece to show DNA, it's not a Panerai as we all fell in love with and know it by a simple glance on someone's wrist. There are plenty of 3-hander dressy watches with numerals that are better than Panerai :mrgreen:

And what do you mean it's not an AP without screws, here's one, except no one is buying it just like no one bought the discontinued 512 and the others (DWC don't count) :lol:

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Post by unixshrk » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:32 am

1940 Panerai for the win

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by logan2z » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:33 am

Panerai7 wrote:
logan2z wrote:
Panerai7 wrote:
logan2z wrote:
Panerai7 wrote: -No Crown Guard
Pass
So no Radiomirs then.
Nope. Would you buy your AP if it didn't have screws in the bezel? Nope :dance:
Well, an AP without screws in the bezel isn't an AP. A Radiomir is a legitimate Panerai :bootyshake:
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Precisely not, I don't care if you pull out some Panerai Museum piece to show DNA, it's not a Panerai as we all fell in love with and know it by a simple glance on someone's wrist. There are plenty of 3-hander dressy watches with numerals that are better than Panerai :mrgreen:

And what do you mean it's not an AP without screws, here's one, except no one is buying it just like no one bought the discontinued 512 and the others (DWC don't count) :lol:

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Sigh, you know I meant it's not a Royal Oak without the screws in the bezel :rolleyes:

I doubt you truly believe that nobody buys Radiomirs (with the possible exception of DWCers) and I'm pretty sure you aren't privy to Panerai's sales data on watches like the 512. PAM232, PAM190, PAM587, etc have all been very successful Rads if forum discussion and used pricing is any indication.

But stick to Luminors if that's your preferred design. The one you personally fell in love with first must be the only true Panerai :thumbsup:

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by Panerai7 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:43 am

To each is own. Crown Guard is a must for me

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Post by logan2z » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:44 am

unixshrk wrote:1940 Panerai for the win

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by logan2z » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:54 am

If we're going to critique this watch for not being true to the Panerai DNA, then I'd agree that the automatic movement and text on the dial are the real offenders. Well, and the blue dial ;) But then a common critique of Panerai is that all of their watches look the same so I guess they need to do something to attract new buyers. Smaller/slimmer cases, different dial colors, etc. seems to be the current strategy.

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by Panerai7 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:03 am

I spoke to Panerai rep on several occasions that organizes Pam events at my AD and he said that they weren't selling well. I did see them sitting at my AD for months where CG models were rotating and selling. And then the news of them being discontinued led me to conclude that they really weren't selling well.
I personally could live with a 45mm model of it didn't have Automatic on the dial but I'm glad the new Due comes with a CG

Also 673 replacing 587 was a great move, woukd love that one if I went back to 47

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by logan2z » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:11 am

Panerai7 wrote:I spoke to Panerai rep on several occasions that organizes Pam events at my AD and he said that they weren't selling well. I did see them sitting at my AD for months where CG models were rotating and selling. And then the news of them being discontinued led me to conclude that they really weren't selling well.
I personally could live with a 45mm model of it didn't have Automatic on the dial but I'm glad the new Due comes with a CG

Also 673 replacing 587 was a great move, woukd love that one if I went back to 47
I like the 673 a lot. If I didn't already have a 372 I'd be frothing at the mouth for one. I like the 587 a lot too.

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by Panerai7 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:19 am

They did so many things right with 673, it's so hard to resist. Too bad it's limited edition and thus will always be priced higher than 372.

Those longer hands, mmmm

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Post by logan2z » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:34 am

Panerai7 wrote:They did so many things right with 673, it's so hard to resist. Too bad it's limited edition and thus will always be priced higher than 372.

Those longer hands, mmmm

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by streetracer101 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:58 am

The color combo looks terrific, but ditch the automatic on the dial. Has Panerai ever made a quartz watch? If not, that seems redundant.

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Post by logan2z » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:01 pm

streetracer101 wrote:The color combo looks terrific, but ditch the automatic on the dial. Has Panerai ever made a quartz watch? If not, that seems redundant.
They've never made a quartz watch, but they do make many hand-wound watches.

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by matt.wu » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:19 pm

I like it well-enough, but it's still generally more of the same...
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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by dukerules » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:20 pm

I find it boring.

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Post by logan2z » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:28 pm

matt.wu wrote:I like it well-enough, but it's still generally more of the same...
Well, that's Panerai's dilemma. They're kind of stuck with two watch models so they produce endless variations of them.

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by Panerai7 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:12 pm

But maybe stuck is not a bad thing.
Instead of removing crown guards off every model and calling it something else, maybe it's okay to stick to a few slam dunks?
Seems to work for AP with the same bezel on every RO watch. Seems to work for Rolex that's notoriously resistant to changes and/or new models. Maybe Pam could introduce 372/422 and 305/389 in a 44mm case instead?
Rather than making 000 005 less WR and spring bars instead of screws. I would love to pick Bonati's brain just to find out where he's coming from

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by logan2z » Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:04 pm

Panerai7 wrote:I would love to pick Bonati's brain just to find out where he's coming from
Not exactly what you're looking for, I don't think, but a couple of interesting interviews that provide some insight into the man...

https://www.redbulletin.com/watches/en/ ... elo-bonati
http://www.watch-insider.com/news/sihh- ... o-panerai/

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by mechnut » Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:16 pm

At 45mm, very appealing to the general public. I can't tell from the picture, but a domed sapphire would definitely take it up a notch in my eyes. I like that fact that they kept the 9 with the sub seconds dial. The 690 is my first 1940 Radiomir, and I've been impressed. I get Art's bias. While Panerai is my favorite brand, some models I don't like at all, most I like, but would never buy, and a few I truly lust after. I would love to add two more PAM's to my collection. A Submersible (I REALLY miss my 194), and a 45-47mm, wire lugged Radiomir.

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Re: PAM572 Bucherer LE with blue dial

Post by streetracer101 » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:50 am

logan2z wrote:
streetracer101 wrote:The color combo looks terrific, but ditch the automatic on the dial. Has Panerai ever made a quartz watch? If not, that seems redundant.
They've never made a quartz watch, but they do make many hand-wound watches.
I forgot about that. I'm that case, I'd prefer if it had the movement Calibre it something along that line... Better yet, omit writing there all together.

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