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Post by goaliechris » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:37 am

I used to own the 312 and have recently decided that I would like to own a PAM again and was thinking about grabbing one. However, the 233 has really caught my eye but that's a big step up in price. For those that have owned or had the opportunity to handle both, is the 233 worth the extra over the 312? I know it's subjective but would appreciate any thoughts. Also what a fair price these days for a am/pm model 233 with box and papers? Looks to be around $9000?

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Post by tmw » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:41 am

Personally, if you are not tied to the 1950 case, I would look at the new 8-day base models (replacing the 111 & 112) first, as may be more cost effective than either the 312 or the 233.
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Post by goaliechris » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:54 am

tmw wrote:Personally, if you are not tied to the 1950 case, I would look at the new 8-day base models (replacing the 111 & 112) first, as may be more cost effective than either the 312 or the 233.
I do like the 1950s case but that's a good idea. I've read a little bit about them, specifically the 510 I think. Not sure I'm a fan of the polished case/brushed crown guard combo on that one. Still, a great way to get the hand wound 8- day movement without the GMT complication.

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Post by tmw » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:43 am

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tmw wrote:Personally, if you are not tied to the 1950 case, I would look at the new 8-day base models (replacing the 111 & 112) first, as may be more cost effective than either the 312 or the 233.
I do like the 1950s case but that's a good idea. I've read a little bit about them, specifically the 510 I think. Not sure I'm a fan of the polished case/brushed crown guard combo on that one. Still, a great way to get the hand wound 8- day movement without the GMT complication.
good Luck!

I cant believe I used the words 'cost effective' referencing anything Panerai.
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Post by dukerules » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:34 pm

I think the 233 is well worth the premium over the 312, but I like base PAMs the best. The new 8-day Luminors are about the same price as a used 372, which would be my choice. Otherwise, I'd actually think hard about a good ol' 000.

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Post by matt.wu » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:57 pm

I personally don't care at all for the standard Luminor case. The 1950 case, on the other hand, really grabs me.

So 233 for me. Every time.
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Post by blkgsl » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:15 pm

233 and 270 all day everyday. They're by far my favorite Panerais.

I've had a 510, it's a POS. An 8 day without a power reserve movement effectively may as well be a 1.5 day movement to me. Stupid decision by Paneari IMO.

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Post by lilhoody » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:24 pm

Why not the 320? It seems to be more an apple to apple comparison. I am a huge 320 fan and have pondered the 233 vs. 320 question more than once. For me, aesthetics draws me to the 320. And, it's almost purely due to the crystal.
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Post by blkgsl » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:04 pm

lilhoody wrote:Why not the 320? It seems to be more an apple to apple comparison. I am a huge 320 fan and have pondered the 233 vs. 320 question more than once. For me, aesthetics draws me to the 320. And, it's almost purely due to the crystal.
Valid point D. If the 233/270 had a flat crystal, they would be perfect IMO. But I'll even live with the dome.

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Post by CGSshorty » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:13 pm

blkgsl wrote:
lilhoody wrote:Why not the 320? It seems to be more an apple to apple comparison. I am a huge 320 fan and have pondered the 233 vs. 320 question more than once. For me, aesthetics draws me to the 320. And, it's almost purely due to the crystal.
Valid point D. If the 233/270 had a flat crystal, they would be perfect IMO. But I'll even live with the dome.
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Post by jtbenson » Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:19 pm

after trying on many different models, i started out with a 312. i later moved it for a 233. my experience was the exact opposite of regret. thinner, lighter, sexier.
the gmt hand can be hidden underneath the hour hand for a cleaner look if and when desired.

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if i own another pam it will most likely be another 233.
good luck with your decision and search.
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Post by goaliechris » Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:45 pm

Thank you - appreciate the comments. Still thinking about it but leaning towards the 312. I think later, when the budget allows, I can sell and grab the 233 if I still want it.

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Post by outtatime » Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:15 pm

blkgsl wrote:233 and 270 all day everyday. They're by far my favorite Panerais.

I've had a 510, it's a POS. An 8 day without a power reserve movement effectively may as well be a 1.5 day movement to me. Stupid decision by Paneari IMO.
I actually kind of like the 510. Wish it had a logo dial though with painted markers.

If they "redo" the 005, I'm in. But I'm done paying $5k for a watch with a stock 6497 movement.

Now I'm on either a 312 or a 422 kick.
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Post by dukerules » Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:20 pm

I still think that at around $7K used, a 372 is unbeatable. I'd take one over many PAMs that cost a lot more.

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Post by goaliechris » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:56 pm

dukerules wrote:I still think that at around $7K used, a 372 is unbeatable. I'd take one over many PAMs that cost a lot more.
Love the looks of the 372. The only things that concerns me on the 372 are the plexiglass and that I've never worn a 47mm watch before.

Starting to look at the 243 more and more. 312, 243, 327, 233… not a bad lineup!

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Post by logan2z » Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:01 pm

dukerules wrote:I still think that at around $7K used, a 372 is unbeatable. I'd take one over many PAMs that cost a lot more.
+1 I'm seeing them under $7K now!

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Post by goaliechris » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:55 pm

What's a fair price for a pre-owned 233 with the dot dial (great condition with b and p)? The am/pm seems to be at the high 8s while the dot seems to be at least a grand more?

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Post by dukerules » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:18 pm

I wouldn't pay more than $9K.

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Post by goaliechris » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:27 pm

dukerules wrote:I wouldn't pay more than $9K.
Thanks, that's what I was thinking it should go for but watches24seven has one listed right now at $10250. Obviously negotiable but seems pretty high to get down to where I think it should sell.

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Post by dukerules » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:45 pm

Bruce's prices are always high. Check Paneristi and recon...I think you can find these in the $8 range easily.

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