Is the 111 the best bet among <cough> the entry level PAMs?

[koda240]

Only way to go is a sandwich dial. The depth it has takes the dial to a whole other level of bad assery. I loved my 176. You can't go wrong with a Ti.

[ericf4]

I don't get the love for manual watches. I understand the feeling of winding etc, but autos do that too. Its not like an auto watch is a quartz etc...seriously....i just don't get why many paneristi feel that way. I own two and frankly wouldn't buy a manual...im the outsider on that I think.

They feel that way because that is the essence of the brand. They are simple manual wind dive tools. All the stuff on the new in-house autos is for the new customer that really wants a Panerai, just not a real Panerai.

I guess for me, if I'm dropping 5k or more on a watch, I want more from it....thats why I couldn't get one of the "real" Panerais.. ..ill stick with ones like my 243 and 312 I guess. I like being a poseur panerai owner and not a real one...fits my style.....

[rain_maker]

Except automatic Panerai is like automatic Porsche 911...

Or a Swedish brunette. Sure you could have one ... but why?

[CGSshorty]

I don't get the love for manual watches. I understand the feeling of winding etc, but autos do that too. Its not like an auto watch is a quartz etc...seriously....i just don't get why many paneristi feel that way. I own two and frankly wouldn't buy a manual...im the outsider on that I think.

They feel that way because that is the essence of the brand. They are simple manual wind dive tools. All the stuff on the new in-house autos is for the new customer that really wants a Panerai, just not a real Panerai.

I guess for me, if I'm dropping 5k or more on a watch, I want more from it....thats why I couldn't get one of the "real" Panerais.. ..ill stick with ones like my 243 and 312 I guess. I like being a poseur panerai owner and not a real one...fits my style.....

I owned a 243. It is an awesome watch I would gladly own again, but it is not what Panerai is truly about. Nothing wrong with that.

[Jeep99dad]

243 has valjoux based mvt

[CGSshorty]

243 has valjoux based mvt

It is a modified ETA 7750.

[andrema]

Or choose what's behind door #2.

Personally, I would go with what is behind door #3!

[smalls]

If one wanted to test the waters with this brand, it seems like the PAM111 would be a good place to start. Any reason why this might not be the case? Do they hold value better than, say, the 005 or 104?

Depends what you want. 111 or 112 have the sandwich dial. 000 and 005 have painted (sausage) dial and logo.

My personal fav is the zero cuz I like the logo base model - closer to the roots.

I don't know much about Pam's but I like this one and it's the one I would buy given the choice. Seems pretty versatile.

[andrema]

When I take the leap, it'll be for a 176 or 338....

[toxicavenger]

The only manual watch I would buy would be under $500. And if you haven't diven a automatic Porsche you are missing out.

[Jeep99dad]

Auto Porsche- no way

[toxicavenger]

Auto Porsche- no way

Go and test drive a newer one and then let me know.

[jimyritz]

If one wanted to test the waters with this brand, it seems like the PAM111 would be a good place to start. Any reason why this might not be the case? Do they hold value better than, say, the 005 or 104?

Depends what you want. 111 or 112 have the sandwich dial. 000 and 005 have painted (sausage) dial and logo.

My personal fav is the zero cuz I like the logo base model - closer to the roots.

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Mike

[Panerai7]

The only manual watch I would buy would be under $500. And if you haven't diven a automatic Porsche you are missing out.

If you've never driven a manual Porsche you've never driven a Porsche
It's like Chris said there's nothing wrong with an automatic Pam, it's just not what it's about.
OK I will use Porsche again, it's their Cayenne vs. 911
How's that?

[Jeep99dad]

Auto Porsche- no way

Go and test drive a newer one and then let me know.

I know. They are great. Yet if I'm gonna buy another Porsche it'll be a manual, I won't even have think about it.

[logan2z]

Auto Porsche- no way

Go and test drive a newer one and then let me know.

I know. They are great. Yet if I'm gonna buy another Porsche it'll be a manual, I won't even have think about it.

+1

A friend just bought a 2014 Carrera S with the PDK. Hard to fault it but I still prefer the manual gearbox. Just more fun to drive - at least when you're not in traffic.

[toxicavenger]

The only manual watch I would buy would be under $500. And if you haven't diven a automatic Porsche you are missing out.

If you've never driven a manual Porsche you've never driven a Porsche
It's like Chris said there's nothing wrong with an automatic Pam, it's just not what it's about.
OK I will use Porsche again, it's their Cayenne vs. 911
How's that?

I do love the manual Porche's (of course the few I have driven were older) but the newer automatic Porsche's are a whole new ball game. And the Cayenne vs. 911 is totally two different models and can't be compared no matter what.

[toxicavenger]

Auto Porsche- no way

Go and test drive a newer one and then let me know.

I know. They are great. Yet if I'm gonna buy another Porsche it'll be a manual, I won't even have think about it.

+1

A friend just bought a 2014 Carrera S with the PDK. Hard to fault it but I still prefer the manual gearbox. Just more fun to drive - at least when you're not in traffic.

This, I don't know where you guys live but i would hate to drive a manual Porsche in traffic. I do love the feel of driving a stick but 70% I would rather have a auto. And the way traffic is these days I will stick with a auto.

[logan2z]

Auto Porsche- no way

Go and test drive a newer one and then let me know.

I know. They are great. Yet if I'm gonna buy another Porsche it'll be a manual, I won't even have think about it.

+1

A friend just bought a 2014 Carrera S with the PDK. Hard to fault it but I still prefer the manual gearbox. Just more fun to drive - at least when you're not in traffic.

This, I don't know where you guys live but i would hate to drive a manual Porsche in traffic. I do love the feel of driving a stick but 70% I would rather have a auto. And the way traffic is these days I will stick with a auto.

I drive my '87 Carrera to work every day, and SF Bay Area traffic can suck. Sometimes it's a pain but IMO it's a small price to pay for getting to drive a little piece of automotive history. That said when my wife is away on business I commute in her auto Beemer

[toxicavenger]

Auto Porsche- no way

Go and test drive a newer one and then let me know.

I know. They are great. Yet if I'm gonna buy another Porsche it'll be a manual, I won't even have think about it.

+1

A friend just bought a 2014 Carrera S with the PDK. Hard to fault it but I still prefer the manual gearbox. Just more fun to drive - at least when you're not in traffic.

This, I don't know where you guys live but i would hate to drive a manual Porsche in traffic. I do love the feel of driving a stick but 70% I would rather have a auto. And the way traffic is these days I will stick with a auto.

I drive my '87 Carrera to work every day, and SF Bay Area traffic can suck. Sometimes it's a pain but IMO it's a small price to pay for getting to drive a little piece of automotive history. That said when my wife is away on business I commute in her auto Beemer

I understand, I had a performance puck clutch in my old S4 and that one kill your leg in traffic!!!! But it kept eating clutches and was the only solution to try and keep it out of the shop.

[marchone]

A lot of people today didn't learn on sticks. Honestly, if one hates the idea of driving a manual in any circumstances, they shouldn't have one. The advantages of Porsche's new gen PDK trans will likely only be appreciated by those who have had seat time in a manual model. I'd still rather be engaged although I learned to enjoy good autos a long time ago. Right foot: loud pedal; left foot: anchors aweigh. Keeps you on your toes. So to speak.

[Jeep99dad]

Agree with Andrew. I drove my 86 to work daily and loved it. Always put a smile on my face well worth it.
Gosh I miss it.

[toxicavenger]

Agree with Andrew. I drove my 86 to work daily and loved it. Always put a smile on my face well worth it.
Gosh I miss it.

But the fact is now you have grown up and turned into a pussy so you drive a auto!!!


So did I.

[CGSshorty]

Auto Porsche- no way

Go and test drive a newer one and then let me know.

I know. They are great. Yet if I'm gonna buy another Porsche it'll be a manual, I won't even have think about it.

+1

A friend just bought a 2014 Carrera S with the PDK. Hard to fault it but I still prefer the manual gearbox. Just more fun to drive - at least when you're not in traffic.

This, I don't know where you guys live but i would hate to drive a manual Porsche in traffic. I do love the feel of driving a stick but 70% I would rather have a auto. And the way traffic is these days I will stick with a auto.

This kind of proves the point. You would love the authentic experience, but it is a pain in the ass so you buy the consumer version.

[marchone]

Hire a car and driver then.