You want drama...
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You want drama...
You got it. The "vintage", meaning 20 years old, Pam world is not for te faint of heart.
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"30ish years of martial arts and I've actually had the honor of training lots of LEO, spec ops and even SEAL team 6 on base, fitness training, not martial arts, but still the coolest thing I've done.
Full on egg head corporate job and I fly quite a bit so I'm really looking forward to adding to my collection of TSA friendly self defense tools. I have amcouple tactical pens, but I want to up the game and get into some custom stuff. Been watch obsessed for a while but this seems more fun.
Thanks for letting me play! "
citizenfox
Full on egg head corporate job and I fly quite a bit so I'm really looking forward to adding to my collection of TSA friendly self defense tools. I have amcouple tactical pens, but I want to up the game and get into some custom stuff. Been watch obsessed for a while but this seems more fun.
Thanks for letting me play! "
citizenfox
Re: You want drama...
over $23000.>>>::::??????
It looks like a 4k one.
I truly dont get Pams
It looks like a 4k one.
I truly dont get Pams
DEATH FROM ABOVE
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Re: You want drama...
I get them. And I'll be buying another soon.
But you absolutely need to get an expert to look at any Pam you buy before buying. Even of you buy it here from someone trusted, unless they bought it an AD, they could have been played. And the Pre- A and Pre -V world is just insane.
But you absolutely need to get an expert to look at any Pam you buy before buying. Even of you buy it here from someone trusted, unless they bought it an AD, they could have been played. And the Pre- A and Pre -V world is just insane.
"30ish years of martial arts and I've actually had the honor of training lots of LEO, spec ops and even SEAL team 6 on base, fitness training, not martial arts, but still the coolest thing I've done.
Full on egg head corporate job and I fly quite a bit so I'm really looking forward to adding to my collection of TSA friendly self defense tools. I have amcouple tactical pens, but I want to up the game and get into some custom stuff. Been watch obsessed for a while but this seems more fun.
Thanks for letting me play! "
citizenfox
Full on egg head corporate job and I fly quite a bit so I'm really looking forward to adding to my collection of TSA friendly self defense tools. I have amcouple tactical pens, but I want to up the game and get into some custom stuff. Been watch obsessed for a while but this seems more fun.
Thanks for letting me play! "
citizenfox
Re: You want drama...
This 40 drama is a disaster, it's clearly a "franken" 40, who knows when or why it happened, unfortunately Clive was the one who got caught holding the dud.
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Re: You want drama...
A friend of mine had a Franken 4, but he knew it was Franken. Case, dial, xtal, hands gen with a newish Unitas. Still worth close to $5k. I suspect movement got wet, or jacked up by bad watch smith, and someone along the line stuck in the movement.
"30ish years of martial arts and I've actually had the honor of training lots of LEO, spec ops and even SEAL team 6 on base, fitness training, not martial arts, but still the coolest thing I've done.
Full on egg head corporate job and I fly quite a bit so I'm really looking forward to adding to my collection of TSA friendly self defense tools. I have amcouple tactical pens, but I want to up the game and get into some custom stuff. Been watch obsessed for a while but this seems more fun.
Thanks for letting me play! "
citizenfox
Full on egg head corporate job and I fly quite a bit so I'm really looking forward to adding to my collection of TSA friendly self defense tools. I have amcouple tactical pens, but I want to up the game and get into some custom stuff. Been watch obsessed for a while but this seems more fun.
Thanks for letting me play! "
citizenfox
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Re: You want drama...
A friend of mine had a Franken 4, but he knew it was Franken. Case, dial, xtal, hands gen with a newish Unitas. Still worth close to $5k. I suspect movement got wet, or jacked up by bad watch smith, and someone along the line stuck in the movement.
"30ish years of martial arts and I've actually had the honor of training lots of LEO, spec ops and even SEAL team 6 on base, fitness training, not martial arts, but still the coolest thing I've done.
Full on egg head corporate job and I fly quite a bit so I'm really looking forward to adding to my collection of TSA friendly self defense tools. I have amcouple tactical pens, but I want to up the game and get into some custom stuff. Been watch obsessed for a while but this seems more fun.
Thanks for letting me play! "
citizenfox
Full on egg head corporate job and I fly quite a bit so I'm really looking forward to adding to my collection of TSA friendly self defense tools. I have amcouple tactical pens, but I want to up the game and get into some custom stuff. Been watch obsessed for a while but this seems more fun.
Thanks for letting me play! "
citizenfox
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Re: You want drama...
aboen wrote:23k
That is what I was thinking
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Re: You want drama...
Listen, I think PAM's are cool.....but NEVER 23K cool.aboen wrote:23k
I mean...Red Sub's, EXPII's from the 70's. Hell, one of each for that price.
I do NOT get that. It's not even "vintage"...
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Re: You want drama...
$$$ vintage scares me, just too many variables out there for me to account for. I'd love to get into a few "collectible" vintage like PAM and Rolex but damn.
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Re: You want drama...
Even if you're willing to put in a ton of effort understanding all the special aspects of whatever you're buying it seems like a total minefield. The best you can do is buy from reputable sellers and hope for the best. It's really a shame that this guy didn't open the watch the second he got it. Then he might have had some recourse with his seller.rockmastermike wrote:$$$ vintage scares me, just too many variables out there for me to account for. I'd love to get into a few "collectible" vintage like PAM and Rolex but damn.
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The pricing is solid for an 040 with all the bells and whistles. The 040 was a special PAM in that it was a test watch to see if titanium would be desirable in the USA. Low edition, but basic boxing, making it more unusual. The lume on mine didn't look anywhere near that fresh. I released mine earlier this year.
Re: You want drama...
Yup. I think he sold it though....patstarrx wrote:Meta4ick (rick) has that model, I believe.
the real one.
*edit* - Simultaneous post ^.
Re: You want drama...
Panerai FTMFW!!!
sorry couldn't help it
sorry couldn't help it
Re: You want drama...
I'm amazed anyone would spend this much on any watch without being 100% sure of what they were buying (though I imagine it happens all the time).
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Re: You want drama...
When people ask the forums about buying a second hand watch, they're almost 100% told to "buy the seller". Perhaps this guy purchased the watch from an extremely well regarded seller based on the strength of that guy's reputation. Sometimes that doesn't work out. It's a very shitty situation that could have been avoided had the purchaser had the watch opened immediately up arrival. That would have been the time to figure out what's what.JBZ wrote:I'm amazed anyone would spend this much on any watch without being 100% sure of what they were buying (though I imagine it happens all the time).
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True, and I'm sure there are all sorts of situations where a good seller makes an honest mistake. However, this isn't a case of a $6,000 watch actually being worth $4,000 because the dial was relumed or replaced or something. If I were going to invest $23,000 in a watch, I'd make damn sure I was getting what I paid for. If I wasn't sure on my own and the seller wouldn't submit to an independent inspection or appraisal, I wouldn't do the deal.JP Chestnut wrote:When people ask the forums about buying a second hand watch, they're almost 100% told to "buy the seller". Perhaps this guy purchased the watch from an extremely well regarded seller based on the strength of that guy's reputation. Sometimes that doesn't work out. It's a very shitty situation that could have been avoided had the purchaser had the watch opened immediately up arrival. That would have been the time to figure out what's what.JBZ wrote:I'm amazed anyone would spend this much on any watch without being 100% sure of what they were buying (though I imagine it happens all the time).
Of course, for some, paying $23,000 is no big deal, but for most of us it would be.
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I absolutely agree with you, which is why I have zero interest in collecting vintage watches despite loving them - I simply don't have the time or inclination required to perform due diligence on something rare or unusual. It's getting harder and harder to buy off the general forums. Nearly every watch is "mint" yet exhibits obvious flaws.JBZ wrote:True, and I'm sure there are all sorts of situations where a good seller makes an honest mistake. However, this isn't a case of a $6,000 watch actually being worth $4,000 because the dial was relumed or replaced or something. If I were going to invest $23,000 in a watch, I'd make damn sure I was getting what I paid for. If I wasn't sure on my own and the seller wouldn't submit to an independent inspection or appraisal, I wouldn't do the deal.JP Chestnut wrote:When people ask the forums about buying a second hand watch, they're almost 100% told to "buy the seller". Perhaps this guy purchased the watch from an extremely well regarded seller based on the strength of that guy's reputation. Sometimes that doesn't work out. It's a very shitty situation that could have been avoided had the purchaser had the watch opened immediately up arrival. That would have been the time to figure out what's what.JBZ wrote:I'm amazed anyone would spend this much on any watch without being 100% sure of what they were buying (though I imagine it happens all the time).
Of course, for some, paying $23,000 is no big deal, but for most of us it would be.
Re: You want drama...
$24k for an online watch deal?
I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.
PM me. Serious offers only.
Payment by wire.
I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.
PM me. Serious offers only.
Payment by wire.
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Re: You want drama...
So the guy buys a $23,000 watch on an installment plan, tries to flip it for a profit but can't, decides after 5 months to verify that it's authentic, finds out it is at best a Franken watch, then tries to trade it away without disclosing that there are real issues with it...
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Re: You want drama...
Ed...WWBDD?
Priceless
Priceless
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Re: You want drama...
What a fucking mess. Would hate to be in any part of that dumpster fire.
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Hard to feel too bad for him.sinner wrote:So the guy buys a $23,000 watch on an installment plan, tries to flip it for a profit but can't, decides after 5 months to verify that it's authentic, finds out it is at best a Franken watch, then tries to trade it away without disclosing that there are real issues with it...
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Re: You want drama...
I get PAMs but I don't get vintage PAMs. Spending $23K for a watch with a simple Unitas movement (that even the seller admitted was worth about $35) seems kind of outrageous to me. Same with 'Fiddys'. $20k? I'd personally rather have a 372 with in-house movement for less than 1/2 of that
Re: You want drama...
Agreed. There is nothing valuable about most vintage Panerai (other than Angelus stuff, etc...). It's always been a bubble waiting to burst (and sounds like it's well on its way).
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