Introducing the Sinn EZM 1.1 Limited Edition

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Re: Introducing the Sinn EZM 1.1 Limited Edition

Post by BBK357 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:43 am

If anyone really wants one for a discount just give it a month and check the DWC sales forum :)


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That's usually the case with new releases.
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That's usually the case with new releases.
Will this be different, who knows?
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Post by Axelay2003 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:15 am

BBK357 wrote: ↑
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 If anyone really wants one for a discount just give it a month and check the DWC sales forum :)


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Funny thing with the pricing of EZMs; it's probably the only watch I've got that hasn't meteored [don't take it the wrong way - any price increases are coincidental rather than planned!] - OK, probably £2-300-ish increase from what the market was back in 2009 when I got my first, but nothing like things like the Zenith A386, SAAF, Cairelli, old Longines, the ubiquitous Rolex, sh*t - even Yema's now go for a bomb compared to pennies a few years back - I'm sure we can all think of examples.

So why not the EZM1? Well, although there's only half the amount made of what Omega would describe as a 'limited edition' if you're reasonably patient there always seems to be a few on the market - especially if you take into account the Japanese Yahoo auctions [and could be bothered with that process]. And I'm not sure it's a watch that has entered the general consciousness outside of a few small circles - it's pretty unique as a chronograph and I genuinely think that there are many that don't even recognise it as one until it's explained to them.

Perhaps the 1.1 will expand the knowledge > desirability of all the versions, perhaps the emphasis will be on the 1.1 as the 'proper' version that real men get [only kidding!] as opposed to the lightweight hockey puck of the original, perhaps Sinn will release a 'general' one, perhaps in some way 'down-graded or somehow different from the LE once they see they've sold nearly 500 of them in a week or so. Perhaps they'll radically change it up and align it more with the EZM13 case - who knows...

If I was to take a stab in the dark though, I'd say your cash is relatively safe with the 1.1, I want one but have to release some 'stock' - and that's a hard choice, but it'll happen eventually I think - look at the Heuer Hodinkee 'non-Skipper' Skipper and how that was flipped for profit - again, we could all think of examples.

I always think the EZM1 is a bit like Lotus - very niche compared to the massive Porsche [Rolex/Heuer] market but values held well within a small group of enthusiasts - but not much room for speculative profit. I'm very happy with that situation - I've been priced out of several 'classic' watches now [remember the Cairellis that went for a few G only a few years back] but at least I've got one avenue I can still focus on :)
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Of course it's nice for a watch to appreciate in value. When was the last time that happened for a current release? The Omega Snoopy version?
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aikiman44 wrote:Of course it's nice for a watch to appreciate in value. When was the last time that happened for a current release? The Omega Snoopy version?
Halios Seaforth. It's rare. Everyone thought the U1P was going to increase dramatically. It hasn't. I'm glad I bought one because I actually wanted the watch. There's no rhyme or reason to why some models explode in value. Buy what you like and you'll be happy either way.

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Post by gr8sw » Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:00 pm

all good points, Andy... Sinn has always been a little under the radar for John Q. Public, probably why I enjoy them so much!

but once you've been praised by Hoodwinky and the blogs, LE of 500 suddenly becomes a very small amount...

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I'm not buying that a $5,000 Sinn that needs to be shipped back to Germany for service is going to blow up on the secondary market. And a bunch of buyers saying otherwise isn't very convincing.
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Post by aikiman44 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:15 pm

I wouldn't buy anything with that premise. That's just us kibitzing.
I'm buying because I've owned an original and love the look. Plus the fact that I can wear it for kicking in doors as well as to the office. (And I guess I'm a Sinn junkie)
How many really high end pieces have to be shipped to Europe for service? I'd say quite a few.
And if it needed service I'd use my watchmaker. I don't need the nitrogen refill. Or hope RGM could handle it.
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Post by JP Chestnut » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:20 pm

I think it's a great looking watch. There's no doubt about that. However, it's (as you say) one to buy because you love it. My EZM1 was really cool, but it didn't stick due to the servicing issues.

Shipping a mid priced watch outside the USA for an expensive service isn't a value proposition I'm interested in.
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^ Kicking in doors? Of the Starbucks?

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hoppyjr wrote:^ Kicking in doors? Of the Starbucks?

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Maybe Terry kicking in stall doors. Those fancy ones with holes in em.
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hoppyjr wrote: ↑
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Post by BBK357 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:11 pm

I agree w JP- i highly doubt it's gonna blow up on the used market.
My speculation is that you can get your money back if you sell it. I'm fine with that- as I usually don't buy new watches because I don't want to lose money when I sell it.
The U1P is the same. Some maybe sold higher than retail, but now they are settling for about what they went for new. And again I am happy with that.

Who knows about long term, maybe 5-10 years down the road they will be hard to find and go for double... I bet nobody ever thought an original ezm1 that sold for under $2000 would sell for $5000 but it has happened.


It also goes to say they there are so few ezm1 for sale. I think most people are happy with it and keep it.


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Re: Introducing the Sinn EZM 1.1 Limited Edition

Post by BBK357 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:22 pm

andy_s wrote:Funny thing with the pricing of EZMs; it's probably the only watch I've got that hasn't meteored [don't take it the wrong way - any price increases are coincidental rather than planned!] - OK, probably £2-300-ish increase from what the market was back in 2009 when I got my first, but nothing like things like the Zenith A386, SAAF, Cairelli, old Longines, the ubiquitous Rolex, sh*t - even Yema's now go for a bomb compared to pennies a few years back - I'm sure we can all think of examples.

So why not the EZM1? Well, although there's only half the amount made of what Omega would describe as a 'limited edition' if you're reasonably patient there always seems to be a few on the market - especially if you take into account the Japanese Yahoo auctions [and could be bothered with that process]. And I'm not sure it's a watch that has entered the general consciousness outside of a few small circles - it's pretty unique as a chronograph and I genuinely think that there are many that don't even recognise it as one until it's explained to them.

Perhaps the 1.1 will expand the knowledge > desirability of all the versions, perhaps the emphasis will be on the 1.1 as the 'proper' version that real men get [only kidding!] as opposed to the lightweight hockey puck of the original, perhaps Sinn will release a 'general' one, perhaps in some way 'down-graded or somehow different from the LE once they see they've sold nearly 500 of them in a week or so. Perhaps they'll radically change it up and align it more with the EZM13 case - who knows...

If I was to take a stab in the dark though, I'd say your cash is relatively safe with the 1.1, I want one but have to release some 'stock' - and that's a hard choice, but it'll happen eventually I think - look at the Heuer Hodinkee 'non-Skipper' Skipper and how that was flipped for profit - again, we could all think of examples.

I always think the EZM1 is a bit like Lotus - very niche compared to the massive Porsche [Rolex/Heuer] market but values held well within a small group of enthusiasts - but not much room for speculative profit. I'm very happy with that situation - I've been priced out of several 'classic' watches now [remember the Cairellis that went for a few G only a few years back] but at least I've got one avenue I can still focus on :)


Good thoughts Andy.

And yes I've read about most of the people who aren't liking this new EZM 1.1. And most of them say it's because of the price.
They say you can get Omega and used Rolex for this price... and Sinn was a brand that used to out out very well built tool watches for a good price.

For them, I would like to remind them of Sinn's base modes. A 103 acrylic, great pilot chrono watch with 200m water resistant and screw down crown is brand new for $1740. For a non chrono pilot, the 104 or 556 are available brand new for $1100-1250. For divers, an EZM 3 is $1800 and a U1 is $2000. And if you find some of these used you can score an awesome deal on a well made German watch.

So the "old Sinn" is still here, but when you put out an LE that is unique compared to most offerings these days, is a remake of a classic model and has a Sinn imagined SZ01 movement in it for $4800 everyone wants to complain.

The only answer is, you cannot make everyone happy.
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Re: Introducing the Sinn EZM 1.1 Limited Edition

Post by hoppyjr » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:27 pm

aikiman44 wrote:
hoppyjr wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:20 pm
 ^ Kicking in doors? Of the Starbucks?

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You know, when on a mission.

This begs several questions:

Are you in uniform during these missions?

Are others with you?

Is it dangerous?

I ask because I'm sorta turned on.

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Post by aikiman44 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:30 pm

I usually go in with a Salvation Army uniform.
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Re: Introducing the Sinn EZM 1.1 Limited Edition

Post by hoppyjr » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:41 pm

aikiman44 wrote:I usually go in with a Salvation Army uniform.
Very good. This is a stealth approach. Let the terrorists think you're bringing stuff, then kick the door and take 'em down.

Well done. :salute:


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Post by kempoman » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:05 pm

Check this out, EZM1 ZUZ - http://www.ebay.com/itm/No-Reserve-Auct ... 1438.l2649
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Introducing the Sinn EZM 1.1 Limited Edition

Post by BBK357 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:49 pm

^^

I saw that.
It was a like $400 yesterday and the early bid idiots shot it up to $5000 in just over a day.


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Post by aikiman44 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:56 pm

Except for Philip, Malaysia may be problematic.
No close up shots, either.
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Re: Introducing the Sinn EZM 1.1 Limited Edition

Post by Axelay2003 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:32 pm

He bought new and wore it for only 5min until putting it away in a safe.
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Post by kempoman » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:17 pm

aikiman44 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:56 pm
 Except for Philip, Malaysia may be problematic.
No close up shots, either.
Jay, the price is too rich for me now.. also the same guy has the IWC Ocean diver 2000.
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