Any Leads on a ZUZ?

namor · Post by **namor** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:20 am

I know its a fool's errand, but I'm trying to find an EZM1 ZUZ. If anyone knows of one that may be pried from its owner, please let me know!

foodle · Post by **foodle** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:02 am

There are so few out there, that I'd think your best bet would be to post WTBs in the relevant places (e.g., MWR). Also look at the old FS posts and ping the sellers/buyers.

gr8sw · Post by **gr8sw** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:13 am

you looking to drop $8-10k?

tmw · Post by **tmw** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:27 pm

There is one on watch recon now for around 6750

tmw · Post by **tmw** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:27 pm

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fs-sin ... tml#/enter

aikiman44 · Post by **aikiman44** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:00 pm

If you buy it will you wear it?

BBK357 · Post by **BBK357** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:19 pm

tmw wrote:http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fs-sin ... tml#/enter

And serviced!?!?

This is a great buy, bet it will not last long. Really wish I could .

namor · Post by **namor** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:56 pm

If I get it, I'll wear it every fucking day!

But, is it a zuz if it was just a small run made for Japanese collectors and nit the issued watch to the real zuz guys?

BBK357 · Post by **BBK357** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:02 pm

namor wrote:If I get it, I'll wear it every fucking day!

But, is it a zuz if it was just a small run made for Japanese collectors and nit the issued watch to the real zuz guys?

grey area... regardless not many exist.

BBK357 · Post by **BBK357** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:03 pm

buy it seth
please
if i ever can in the future ill take it from you

marchone · Post by **marchone** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:04 am

tmw wrote:http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fs-sin ... tml#/enter

$6750?

hoppyjr · Post by **hoppyjr** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:22 am

It looks very cool, but I don't understand $6k+ Sinn stuff.

marchone · Post by **marchone** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:28 am

A printed logo doubles its value. No different than a Comex Rolex.

namor · Post by **namor** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:45 am

marchone wrote:A printed logo doubles its value. No different than a Comex Rolex.

This is the rub for me. I'm totally OK with the premium for a ZUZ EZM1, just as I'd pay the premium for a COMEX dial Sub (if I could afford one!). But I've been wrestling all morning with the ZUZ dial on a watch that wasn't issued to the ZUZ. Would anyone pay a premium for a Rolex Sub that had a genuine COMEX dial, but was never issued to a COMEX diver?
These Japanese watches are, as TR might say, "All hat and no cattle". It also nags at me that the bracelet and bezel insert are the new style, like the LE versions, and not the older correct ones.

I might still try for it, but my head and my heart are arguing.

Joeprez · Post by **Joeprez** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:53 am

namor wrote:
marchone wrote:A printed logo doubles its value. No different than a Comex Rolex.

This is the rub for me. I'm totally OK with the premium for a ZUZ EZM1, just as I'd pay the premium for a COMEX dial Sub (if I could afford one!). But I've been wrestling all morning with the ZUZ dial on a watch that wasn't issued to the ZUZ. Would anyone pay a premium for a Rolex Sub that had a genuine COMEX dial, but was never issued to a COMEX diver?
These Japanese watches are, as TR might say, "All hat and no cattle". It also nags at me that the bracelet and bezel insert are the new style, like the LE versions, and not the older correct ones.

I might still try for it, but my head and my heart are arguing.

Well, if I were to pay a premium for an issued watch, I would only do it if it was really "issued".

My 2 cents.

BBK357 · Post by **BBK357** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:13 am

namor wrote:
marchone wrote:A printed logo doubles its value. No different than a Comex Rolex.

This is the rub for me. I'm totally OK with the premium for a ZUZ EZM1, just as I'd pay the premium for a COMEX dial Sub (if I could afford one!). But I've been wrestling all morning with the ZUZ dial on a watch that wasn't issued to the ZUZ. Would anyone pay a premium for a Rolex Sub that had a genuine COMEX dial, but was never issued to a COMEX diver?
These Japanese watches are, as TR might say, "All hat and no cattle". It also nags at me that the bracelet and bezel insert are the new style, like the LE versions, and not the older correct ones.

I might still try for it, but my head and my heart are arguing.

I can see that... but its not like you'll lose money on it. I've seen 2 for sale in the past i don't know how long. This one and Vic Boyds.

BBK357 · Post by **BBK357** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:14 am

and i do not see what you mean about the bezel and bracelet.
they look original generation to me, i do not see the screws and the bracelet is not the new 103 style.

tmw · Post by **tmw** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:30 am

It all comes down to what you want to pay - "issued" or "non-issued."

These don't come up often either way, and an "issued" would probably command much more.

To me, the dial is the dial, and that is what you are paying the premium for. Would you buy a base ezm1 that was issued - and pay a premium. I highly doubt it.

namor · Post by **namor** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:50 am

Well, I did pay a premium for one of the EZM2s that was actually issued and then refurbed. Didn't have the original dial, but was the actual watch worn by a GSG9 Johnny. So to me, provenance is important over looks.

The bezel insert on the one for sale has the big triangle in use since the LE editions were made in 2005, and the SEL bracelet has hex screws in it, both also in use only since the LEs.

There were 22 watches actually issued, and another 45 dialed for Japan; so there are only 67 ZUZ watches in the world. Still a very exclusive group of watches.

tmw · Post by **tmw** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:06 am

Buy this, and then upgrade later when you find an "issued' version. You won't lose here.

I can't remember the last time I saw a zuz for sale. If this were an issued zuz, you would probably be pushing another 2-3K on top of this.

BBK357 · Post by **BBK357** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:08 am

IM not sure you are correct on the bezel.
The LE editions had screw secured bezels that are found on the newer Sinn line up line up like the 103 TESTAF.
The triangles did change mid design, the old ones had the smaller, then the larger, then the LE had an actual change in bezel.

I have an old style bezel with the small triangle if thats what is holding you back. Im sure we can work something out if you proceed with this beauty.

BBK357 · Post by **BBK357** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:08 am

If i saw this before i bought my sub last week i would have bought it.

tmw · Post by **tmw** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:30 am

BBK357 wrote:
The triangles did change mid design, the old ones had the smaller, then the larger, then the LE had an actual change in bezel.

That is correct on the bezels. I have had each of them. The LE bezel screwed down.

namor · Post by **namor** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:36 am

The bezel is the correct one for this watch, but the insert is not. The 3H watches have a small triangle at 12; the Ar watches a little bit bigger triangle; and the LE had a squared off triangle (actually a trapezoid) like the one on this watch.

EZM1trio.jpg

Not a deal breaker for sure, but at $6750 one would like some originality. Bracelet, too, is from the LE era, not original to a 503.0249 serial number.

tmw · Post by **tmw** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:47 am

The original bezel is included.

The bracelet shouldn't matter too much.

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