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Post by demer03 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:32 am

This is available for $4350

"Gts pre-owned Rolex 5513 Submariner, Cal. 1520, stainless steel case & bracelet, Serial nr. 1623787, circa 1966, meters first. Leather band.
Dial refinished at one point, second hand may not be original."

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Post by Grahamcombat » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:49 am

Um, buy it. Or tell me where it is so I can buy it.


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Post by rockmastermike » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:52 am

The price is reflective of the caveats mentioned in the ad so if your comfortable with those then absolutely go for it.

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Post by sfglenrock » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:20 am

Price is good but dial refinished on a Rolex sub will make it tough to resell. Unless this is a keeper for you. :whistle:

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Post by demer03 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:33 am

Nope. Apparently other "questions" are being raised. I am starting to get a feeling of a Rob Lauer situation...

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Post by BBK357 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:06 am

I'd never buy a Rolex with a re finished dial


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Post by toxicavenger » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:31 am

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I'd never buy a Rolex with a re finished dial


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Right, unless it is stupid cheap.

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Post by demer03 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:40 am

That is pretty "cheap" if was only the dial. Now it may be that the only thing "right" is the movement. :shock:
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Post by toxicavenger » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:45 am

demer03 wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:40 am
That is pretty "cheap" if was only the dial. Now it may be that the only thing "right" is the movement. :shock:
That sucks. Sounds like a hodge-podge. Maybe it is a Ginault with a different dial? :thumbsup:

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Post by demer03 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:47 am

It definitely seems like exactly what Ralaustin (Rob) dealt with. Sickening that these are out there.
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Post by JP Chestnut » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:56 am

I wouldn't touch anything but the absolute best vintage Rolex with real provenance. Too many people trying to make a quick buck.

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Post by toxicavenger » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:57 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:56 am
I wouldn't touch anything but the absolute best vintage Rolex with real provenance. Too many people trying to make a quick buck.
why you bring NBtimes into this???? :whistle: :bird:

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Post by JP Chestnut » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:01 am

toxicavenger wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:57 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:56 am
I wouldn't touch anything but the absolute best vintage Rolex with real provenance. Too many people trying to make a quick buck.
why you bring NBtimes into this???? :whistle: :bird:
He's pretty blatant. Even many of the "good guys" are pumping a market filled with dumb rich guys. I was talking to someone from the EU who bought a stack of those "blueberry" inserts about 10 years ago. He paid around $100 each, sold them privately a few years ago for $2000, and now the big time dealers are sticking them on GMTs and charging $30,000:
https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/p0v ... berry-8138

Apparently there are all brown ones too, which haven't yet hit the open market.

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Post by toxicavenger » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:04 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:01 am
toxicavenger wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:57 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:56 am
I wouldn't touch anything but the absolute best vintage Rolex with real provenance. Too many people trying to make a quick buck.
why you bring NBtimes into this???? :whistle: :bird:
He's pretty blatant. Even many of the "good guys" are pumping a market filled with dumb rich guys. I was talking to someone from the EU who bought a stack of those "blueberry" inserts about 10 years ago. He paid around $100 each, sold them privately a few years ago for $2000, and now the big time dealers are sticking them on GMTs and charging $30,000:
https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/p0v ... berry-8138

Apparently there are all brown ones too, which haven't yet hit the open market.
That is worse than the guys lining up the crown and taking pics for watches they are selling.

So how does a watch with such a great looking bevels have so much rot in between the lugs??? :scratch:
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Post by ncstate1201 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:00 pm

Hard to know where to buy a decent vintage Rolex anymore...
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Post by BacoNoir » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:12 am

Vintage market is full of fraud these days. A friend with a pawn shop who has a laser welder and did a couple of case repairs (fill in huge gouges, redo the bevels and refinish the cases) only to see the guy who had them done put them in a rock tumbler (or similar) to mimic years of wear and then reassemble the watches to sell them as "original, unpolished" Subs. He now refuses to do repairs like that unless he knows it's for an individual rather than "trusted" resellers.
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Post by matt.wu » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:23 am

BacoNoir wrote:
Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:12 am
Vintage market is full of fraud these days. A friend with a pawn shop who has a laser welder and did a couple of case repairs (fill in huge gouges, redo the bevels and refinish the cases) only to see the guy who had them done put them in a rock tumbler (or similar) to mimic years of wear and then reassemble the watches to sell them as "original, unpolished" Subs. He now refuses to do repairs like that unless he knows it's for an individual rather than "trusted" resellers.
Yup
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Post by Joeprez » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:35 am

Scary shit.

I think the future vintage watches I'll own are the ones that I bought new or almost new in the present :shrug:
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Post by JP Chestnut » Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:08 am

Joeprez wrote:
Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:35 am
Scary shit.

I think the future vintage watches I'll own are the ones that I bought new or almost new in the present :shrug:
Someone will open an authentication business and many people will suffer. Laser welding can be detected via existing imaging technology. Nobody wants to know.

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Post by foodle » Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:32 pm

Glad I scratched the vintage Rolex itch a few years ago. Would hate to be in the market now.

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Post by demer03 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:05 pm

Vintage in general....it's gone loony.
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