Only as good as the 4-season street tires will allowstreetracer101 wrote:That is an awful color, but the overall dimensions look pretty good. I wonder how these will do in the snow.
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Only as good as the 4-season street tires will allowstreetracer101 wrote:That is an awful color, but the overall dimensions look pretty good. I wonder how these will do in the snow.
Some shithead (probably a student) hit and ran my car on campus this semester. It made me very happy that I'm not driving a new car.ChuckW wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:38 amEverytime I entertain the thought of upgrading from my '98 Maxima, I pause to consider:
-No covered parking at my condo.
-Retired, no commuting.
-It may not look fab, but everything works.
-Insurance and taxes are next to nothing.
-Blue book value is next to nothing.
-It's incredibly safe. It won't be carjacked or broken into and other drivers will get the fuck outta my way.
True to a degree, but there's a difference in handling with unibody v body on frame construction.
Funny. After I sold my '87 911 I started commuting in my wife's 2001 330i. It's been hit, dinged, sand blasted by trucks on the freeway, etc. and I couldn't care less. It's very liberating driving a POS you don't have to worry aboutJP Chestnut wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:01 amSome shithead (probably a student) hit and ran my car on campus this semester. It made me very happy that I'm not driving a new car.ChuckW wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:38 amEverytime I entertain the thought of upgrading from my '98 Maxima, I pause to consider:
-No covered parking at my condo.
-Retired, no commuting.
-It may not look fab, but everything works.
-Insurance and taxes are next to nothing.
-Blue book value is next to nothing.
-It's incredibly safe. It won't be carjacked or broken into and other drivers will get the fuck outta my way.
In addition, it's a car I don't mind smoking a cigar in. It has a sunroof, so I can make the world my ashtray.logan2z wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:20 pmFunny. After I sold my '87 911 I started commuting in my wife's 2001 330i. It's been hit, dinged, sand blasted by trucks on the freeway, etc. and I couldn't care less. It's very liberating driving a POS you don't have to worry aboutJP Chestnut wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:01 amSome shithead (probably a student) hit and ran my car on campus this semester. It made me very happy that I'm not driving a new car.ChuckW wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:38 amEverytime I entertain the thought of upgrading from my '98 Maxima, I pause to consider:
-No covered parking at my condo.
-Retired, no commuting.
-It may not look fab, but everything works.
-Insurance and taxes are next to nothing.
-Blue book value is next to nothing.
-It's incredibly safe. It won't be carjacked or broken into and other drivers will get the fuck outta my way.
Tires make a huge difference.four20 wrote:Only as good as the 4-season street tires will allowstreetracer101 wrote:That is an awful color, but the overall dimensions look pretty good. I wonder how these will do in the snow.
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Thanks for the rec, I'll have to check them out.hoppyjr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:44 pm
Tires make a huge difference.
We got tired (!) of doing the snow tire changeover each spring & fall, so my family is running a great all-terrain on two Subaru’s and my Jeep. The Yokohama G015 is as comfortable as a street all-season, but more aggressive tread and better compounding allows for the outstanding winter traction we have experienced. I’d say 90-95% of a winter tire. Love these things so much we swapped off brand new tires at purchase to run these. Worth every penny.
I used to think that too. Then rode in a partners and holy cow! I was impressed. Kia and Hyundai have become top tier auto makers IMHO.jimyritz wrote:Pretty good looking vehicle and 43K loaded isn't bad...if it's loaded.. Personally, I'm just not ready to buy a Kia...
I wouldn’t. It’s just a polished 4Runner with higher maintenance costs. It is a great platform, but it’s more than 10 yrs old now. If I was to buy a Toyota SUV I’d consider the new Rav4. It’s evolved a lot and looks ts great if a small/crossover will fit the bill.
I drove a K900 a while back. Super bad ass!Captdave wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:52 pmI used to think that too. Then rode in a partners and holy cow! I was impressed. Kia and Hyundai have become top tier auto makers IMHO.jimyritz wrote:Pretty good looking vehicle and 43K loaded isn't bad...if it's loaded.. Personally, I'm just not ready to buy a Kia...
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I disagree. Land Cruiser is nothing like a 4Runner. I've had both of various gens.streetracer101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:51 pmI wouldn’t. It’s just a polished 4Runner with higher maintenance costs. It is a great platform, but it’s more than 10 yrs old now. If I was to buy a Toyota SUV I’d consider the new Rav4. It’s evolved a lot and looks ts great if a small/crossover will fit the bill.
As for full size SUVs, Matt will be well served by any new one. New cars are extremely reliable and as long as he avoids the Germans, maintenance is nominal.
No, I haven't, Art.Panerai7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:06 pmI disagree. Land Cruiser is nothing like a 4Runner. I've had both of various gens.streetracer101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:51 pmI wouldn’t. It’s just a polished 4Runner with higher maintenance costs. It is a great platform, but it’s more than 10 yrs old now. If I was to buy a Toyota SUV I’d consider the new Rav4. It’s evolved a lot and looks ts great if a small/crossover will fit the bill.
As for full size SUVs, Matt will be well served by any new one. New cars are extremely reliable and as long as he avoids the Germans, maintenance is nominal.
For 45K I would most certainly take 2014-2015 LX/LC over Kia
But I was just wondering if Matt looked at one.
As far as the mechanicals go, you can have it serviced and repaired by a Toyota dealer or an independent. The infotainment stuff is another matter.streetracer101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:51 pmI wouldn’t. It’s just a polished 4Runner with higher maintenance costs. It is a great platform, but it’s more than 10 yrs old now. If I was to buy a Toyota SUV I’d consider the new Rav4. It’s evolved a lot and looks ts great if a small/crossover will fit the bill.
As for full size SUVs, Matt will be well served by any new one. New cars are extremely reliable and as long as he avoids the Germans, maintenance is nominal.
Landcruiser is perhaps the last vehicle on earth that's made with 25-30 years in-service lifespan in mind. Everything else is disposable.Selym wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:12 amAs far as the mechanicals go, you can have it serviced and repaired by a Toyota dealer or an independent. The infotainment stuff is another matter.streetracer101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:51 pmI wouldn’t. It’s just a polished 4Runner with higher maintenance costs. It is a great platform, but it’s more than 10 yrs old now. If I was to buy a Toyota SUV I’d consider the new Rav4. It’s evolved a lot and looks ts great if a small/crossover will fit the bill.
As for full size SUVs, Matt will be well served by any new one. New cars are extremely reliable and as long as he avoids the Germans, maintenance is nominal.
I see the 10-year-old platform as an advantage. It's tried-and-true, and there is a huge aftermarket.
While the RAV is a nice car, I wouldn't put it in the same category as something built on a light truck platform.
Fair. Good luck finding a LC under 5 yrs old. Toyota's MSRP for them has slaughtered sales. The base price is $85k and even a 4 yr old model (previous gen) will command $50k +. I was looking into them to replace my wifes 4Runner, but I think we'll just keep it and run it till it dies. The idea of a car note isn't appealing the older I get.Panerai7 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:31 amLandcruiser is perhaps the last vehicle on earth that's made with 25-30 years in-service lifespan in mind. Everything else is disposable.Selym wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:12 amAs far as the mechanicals go, you can have it serviced and repaired by a Toyota dealer or an independent. The infotainment stuff is another matter.streetracer101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:51 pmI wouldn’t. It’s just a polished 4Runner with higher maintenance costs. It is a great platform, but it’s more than 10 yrs old now. If I was to buy a Toyota SUV I’d consider the new Rav4. It’s evolved a lot and looks ts great if a small/crossover will fit the bill.
As for full size SUVs, Matt will be well served by any new one. New cars are extremely reliable and as long as he avoids the Germans, maintenance is nominal.
I see the 10-year-old platform as an advantage. It's tried-and-true, and there is a huge aftermarket.
While the RAV is a nice car, I wouldn't put it in the same category as something built on a light truck platform.
The 4Runner engine is dated. Fuel economy isn't ideal, it lacks power and it is LOUD. Our '14 SR5 has been totally reliable and cheap ($35 oil changes every 10k miles), but to be fair, so has my GMC truck and all other non-German made vehicles I've owned in the past 10 yrs. The infotainment system in it is among one of the worst I've ever used. I wouldn't be surprised if it is the same system that was found in the gen 4 model.Selym wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:12 amAs far as the mechanicals go, you can have it serviced and repaired by a Toyota dealer or an independent. The infotainment stuff is another matter.streetracer101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:51 pmI wouldn’t. It’s just a polished 4Runner with higher maintenance costs. It is a great platform, but it’s more than 10 yrs old now. If I was to buy a Toyota SUV I’d consider the new Rav4. It’s evolved a lot and looks ts great if a small/crossover will fit the bill.
As for full size SUVs, Matt will be well served by any new one. New cars are extremely reliable and as long as he avoids the Germans, maintenance is nominal.
I see the 10-year-old platform as an advantage. It's tried-and-true, and there is a huge aftermarket.
While the RAV is a nice car, I wouldn't put it in the same category as something built on a light truck platform.
The last one I had was a V8 and it was a beast, then Toyota decided to downgrade it to v6-only to further differentiate GX from 4Runner. The new 4Runner, whenever it comes out, needs to come back with the engine from GX460streetracer101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:26 amThe 4Runner engine is dated. Fuel economy isn't ideal, it lacks power and it is LOUD. Our '14 SR5 has been totally reliable and cheap ($35 oil changes every 10k miles), but to be fair, so has my GMC truck and all other non-German made vehicles I've owned in the past 10 yrs. The infotainment system in it is among one of the worst I've ever used. I wouldn't be surprised if it is the same system that was found in the gen 4 model.Selym wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:12 amAs far as the mechanicals go, you can have it serviced and repaired by a Toyota dealer or an independent. The infotainment stuff is another matter.streetracer101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:51 pmI wouldn’t. It’s just a polished 4Runner with higher maintenance costs. It is a great platform, but it’s more than 10 yrs old now. If I was to buy a Toyota SUV I’d consider the new Rav4. It’s evolved a lot and looks ts great if a small/crossover will fit the bill.
As for full size SUVs, Matt will be well served by any new one. New cars are extremely reliable and as long as he avoids the Germans, maintenance is nominal.
I see the 10-year-old platform as an advantage. It's tried-and-true, and there is a huge aftermarket.
While the RAV is a nice car, I wouldn't put it in the same category as something built on a light truck platform.
This is exactly our philosophy when buying a car or truck. Certified pre-owned is the only way to go as far as I'm concernedJBZ wrote:My wife recently picked up a pre-owned Honda Pilot, and she loves it (so do I when I'm allowed to drive it). The prices are ridiculous - even pre-owned (with less than 20K miles, but still) we paid in the high 2's. Given that most companies offer a certified pre-owned program now, I don't know why anyone would buy new.
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