A VPN is basically a smoke screen to cover your tracks on the internet. If you need one then you aren't in the best place to be.Axelay2003 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:45 amI’m not tech savvy. I didn’t even know what VPN entails. Learning everyday.matt.wu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:36 pmHe mentioned VPN. He knows it's illegal.Axelay2003 wrote:Wow, that’s good to know. He posted it on his FB page. I’m gonna message him.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:57 pmit is. there has been quite a few business that have tried this in the past and they all got shut down.Axelay2003 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:51 pmI didn’t know this IPTV thing is illegal. Interesting. It’s too good to be legal I guess.
Thoughts on IPTV?
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VPN is what i use on my phone while connected to my work network so i can access all the stupid shit they block by default.
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A vpn gives your traffic a different location where you enter 'the internet' . This means both that you are harder to trace and that your traffic is encrypted between you and the point you connected to.Axelay2003 wrote:I’m not tech savvy. I didn’t even know what VPN entails. Learning everyday.matt.wu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:36 pmHe mentioned VPN. He knows it's illegal.Axelay2003 wrote:Wow, that’s good to know. He posted it on his FB page. I’m gonna message him.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:57 pmit is. there has been quite a few business that have tried this in the past and they all got shut down.Axelay2003 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:51 pmI didn’t know this IPTV thing is illegal. Interesting. It’s too good to be legal I guess.
I almost always use a vpn in any free wifi, both in my phone and my laptop.
It can also help you bypass content filtering on networks. Some places block certain vpn protocols, but even that can be bypasses with the right clients
Now you know... And know is half the battle
Blah blah smrt phone
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we call it the black sidejeckyll wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:21 pmA vpn gives your traffic a different location where you enter 'the internet' . This means both that you are harder to trace and that your traffic is encrypted between you and the point you connected to.Axelay2003 wrote:I’m not tech savvy. I didn’t even know what VPN entails. Learning everyday.matt.wu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:36 pmHe mentioned VPN. He knows it's illegal.Axelay2003 wrote:Wow, that’s good to know. He posted it on his FB page. I’m gonna message him.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:57 pmit is. there has been quite a few business that have tried this in the past and they all got shut down.Axelay2003 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:51 pmI didn’t know this IPTV thing is illegal. Interesting. It’s too good to be legal I guess.
I almost always use a vpn in any free wifi, both in my phone and my laptop.
It can also help you bypass content filtering on networks. Some places block certain vpn protocols, but even that can be bypasses with the right clients
Now you know... And know is half the battle
Blah blah smrt phone
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Nothing black about it.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:07 pmwe call it the black sidejeckyll wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:21 pmA vpn gives your traffic a different location where you enter 'the internet' . This means both that you are harder to trace and that your traffic is encrypted between you and the point you connected to.Axelay2003 wrote:I’m not tech savvy. I didn’t even know what VPN entails. Learning everyday.matt.wu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:36 pmHe mentioned VPN. He knows it's illegal.Axelay2003 wrote:Wow, that’s good to know. He posted it on his FB page. I’m gonna message him.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:57 pmit is. there has been quite a few business that have tried this in the past and they all got shut down.Axelay2003 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:51 pmI didn’t know this IPTV thing is illegal. Interesting. It’s too good to be legal I guess.
I almost always use a vpn in any free wifi, both in my phone and my laptop.
It can also help you bypass content filtering on networks. Some places block certain vpn protocols, but even that can be bypasses with the right clients
Now you know... And know is half the battle
Blah blah smrt phone
I'm not talking about sitting around with a Kali distro having a look at what other people are doing in coffee shops, am I? Not that you couldn't do similar things with WinDump and libpcap plus a few other things on a Windows laptop
I'm just trying to get people to turn on VPN on public Wifi. That's like a public service announcement.
FWIW, I like protonvpn's free version on my phone & laptop, people should check it out.
Anyway, I'll step away from the soap box and put my tin-foil hat back on.
Actually, I think people should know more about DPI and what people can do once they have access to the trusted CA's, like on work systems. But unfortunately there is only so much most folks can or want to think about.
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Re: Thoughts on IPTV?
jeckyll wrote:Nothing black about it.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:07 pmwe call it the black sidejeckyll wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:21 pmA vpn gives your traffic a different location where you enter 'the internet' . This means both that you are harder to trace and that your traffic is encrypted between you and the point you connected to.Axelay2003 wrote:I’m not tech savvy. I didn’t even know what VPN entails. Learning everyday.matt.wu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:36 pmHe mentioned VPN. He knows it's illegal.Axelay2003 wrote:Wow, that’s good to know. He posted it on his FB page. I’m gonna message him.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:57 pmit is. there has been quite a few business that have tried this in the past and they all got shut down.Axelay2003 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:51 pmI didn’t know this IPTV thing is illegal. Interesting. It’s too good to be legal I guess.
I almost always use a vpn in any free wifi, both in my phone and my laptop.
It can also help you bypass content filtering on networks. Some places block certain vpn protocols, but even that can be bypasses with the right clients
Now you know... And know is half the battle
Blah blah smrt phone
I'm not talking about sitting around with a Kali distro having a look at what other people are doing in coffee shops, am I? Not that you couldn't do similar things with WinDump and libpcap plus a few other things on a Windows laptop
I'm just trying to get people to turn on VPN on public Wifi. That's like a public service announcement.
FWIW, I like protonvpn's free version on my phone & laptop, people should check it out.
Anyway, I'll step away from the soap box and put my tin-foil hat back on.
Actually, I think people should know more about DPI and what people can do once they have access to the trusted CA's, like on work systems. But unfortunately there is only so much most folks can or want to think about.
I also use VPN on public WiFi
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matt.wu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:11 pmjeckyll wrote:Nothing black about it.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:07 pmwe call it the black sidejeckyll wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:21 pmA vpn gives your traffic a different location where you enter 'the internet' . This means both that you are harder to trace and that your traffic is encrypted between you and the point you connected to.Axelay2003 wrote:I’m not tech savvy. I didn’t even know what VPN entails. Learning everyday.matt.wu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:36 pmHe mentioned VPN. He knows it's illegal.Axelay2003 wrote:Wow, that’s good to know. He posted it on his FB page. I’m gonna message him.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:57 pmit is. there has been quite a few business that have tried this in the past and they all got shut down.Axelay2003 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:51 pmI didn’t know this IPTV thing is illegal. Interesting. It’s too good to be legal I guess.
I almost always use a vpn in any free wifi, both in my phone and my laptop.
It can also help you bypass content filtering on networks. Some places block certain vpn protocols, but even that can be bypasses with the right clients
Now you know... And know is half the battle
Blah blah smrt phone
I'm not talking about sitting around with a Kali distro having a look at what other people are doing in coffee shops, am I? Not that you couldn't do similar things with WinDump and libpcap plus a few other things on a Windows laptop
I'm just trying to get people to turn on VPN on public Wifi. That's like a public service announcement.
FWIW, I like protonvpn's free version on my phone & laptop, people should check it out.
Anyway, I'll step away from the soap box and put my tin-foil hat back on.
Actually, I think people should know more about DPI and what people can do once they have access to the trusted CA's, like on work systems. But unfortunately there is only so much most folks can or want to think about.
I also use VPN on public WiFi
Well done M@
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WHen I worked comms that is what we called it, "black side". It is the side no one can see of your communications. It is encrypted when it leaves you, then goes on the black side of tunnel (path), it is de-encrypted when it gets to it destination. Same idea as a vpn. The only difference it I was using taclanes.jeckyll wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:08 pmI'm just trying to get people to turn on VPN on public Wifi. That's like a public service announcement.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:07 pmwe call it the black sidejeckyll wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:21 pmA vpn gives your traffic a different location where you enter 'the internet' . This means both that you are harder to trace and that your traffic is encrypted between you and the point you connected to.Axelay2003 wrote:I’m not tech savvy. I didn’t even know what VPN entails. Learning everyday.matt.wu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:36 pmHe mentioned VPN. He knows it's illegal.Axelay2003 wrote:Wow, that’s good to know. He posted it on his FB page. I’m gonna message him.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:57 pmit is. there has been quite a few business that have tried this in the past and they all got shut down.Axelay2003 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:51 pmI didn’t know this IPTV thing is illegal. Interesting. It’s too good to be legal I guess.
I almost always use a vpn in any free wifi, both in my phone and my laptop.
It can also help you bypass content filtering on networks. Some places block certain vpn protocols, but even that can be bypasses with the right clients
Now you know... And know is half the battle
Blah blah smrt phone
You might have thought I was talking about the dark side of the web. So my bad for not explaining that.
Using a VPN on the open net is super important. Especially when it is not your network. But people don't understand how they are leaving themselves wide open.
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That's a must for sure. I have a friend who always blames his connection speed on his vpn, so he turns it off when working on open networks. I tried to explain it to him but he doesn't think anything will happen.
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How do you turn on vpn on an ipad for public wifi?
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Just download the app, I use FreeVPNUK and you can turn it off/on whenever you like.
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Yep, with iOS devices it’s super easy to toggle the VPN. I’ve got three different apps.
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VPN for all public networks is a must. My VPN automatically connects when I log onto an “untrusted” network.
iOS setup is easy.
iOS setup is easy.
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Ok so how do you use a vpn on the iPhone?
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toxicavenger wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:41 amWHen I worked comms that is what we called it, "black side". It is the side no one can see of your communications. It is encrypted when it leaves you, then goes on the black side of tunnel (path), it is de-encrypted when it gets to it destination. Same idea as a vpn. The only difference it I was using taclanes.jeckyll wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:08 pmI'm just trying to get people to turn on VPN on public Wifi. That's like a public service announcement.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:07 pmwe call it the black sidejeckyll wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:21 pmA vpn gives your traffic a different location where you enter 'the internet' . This means both that you are harder to trace and that your traffic is encrypted between you and the point you connected to.Axelay2003 wrote:I’m not tech savvy. I didn’t even know what VPN entails. Learning everyday.matt.wu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:36 pmHe mentioned VPN. He knows it's illegal.Axelay2003 wrote:Wow, that’s good to know. He posted it on his FB page. I’m gonna message him.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:57 pmit is. there has been quite a few business that have tried this in the past and they all got shut down.Axelay2003 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:51 pmI didn’t know this IPTV thing is illegal. Interesting. It’s too good to be legal I guess.
I almost always use a vpn in any free wifi, both in my phone and my laptop.
It can also help you bypass content filtering on networks. Some places block certain vpn protocols, but even that can be bypasses with the right clients
Now you know... And know is half the battle
Blah blah smrt phone
You might have thought I was talking about the dark side of the web. So my bad for not explaining that.
Using a VPN on the open net is super important. Especially when it is not your network. But people don't understand how they are leaving themselves wide open.
OHHHhhhhh... yeah that wasn't clear to me
I'm used to the old Blackhat / whitehat distinction so I took that completely different
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Yeah that is a whole different arena for sure. When you said Kali I knew what you were referring too.jeckyll wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:57 pmtoxicavenger wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:41 amWHen I worked comms that is what we called it, "black side". It is the side no one can see of your communications. It is encrypted when it leaves you, then goes on the black side of tunnel (path), it is de-encrypted when it gets to it destination. Same idea as a vpn. The only difference it I was using taclanes.jeckyll wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:08 pmI'm just trying to get people to turn on VPN on public Wifi. That's like a public service announcement.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:07 pmwe call it the black sidejeckyll wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:21 pmA vpn gives your traffic a different location where you enter 'the internet' . This means both that you are harder to trace and that your traffic is encrypted between you and the point you connected to.Axelay2003 wrote:I’m not tech savvy. I didn’t even know what VPN entails. Learning everyday.matt.wu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:36 pmHe mentioned VPN. He knows it's illegal.Axelay2003 wrote:Wow, that’s good to know. He posted it on his FB page. I’m gonna message him.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:57 pmit is. there has been quite a few business that have tried this in the past and they all got shut down.Axelay2003 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:51 pmI didn’t know this IPTV thing is illegal. Interesting. It’s too good to be legal I guess.
I almost always use a vpn in any free wifi, both in my phone and my laptop.
It can also help you bypass content filtering on networks. Some places block certain vpn protocols, but even that can be bypasses with the right clients
Now you know... And know is half the battle
Blah blah smrt phone
You might have thought I was talking about the dark side of the web. So my bad for not explaining that.
Using a VPN on the open net is super important. Especially when it is not your network. But people don't understand how they are leaving themselves wide open.
OHHHhhhhh... yeah that wasn't clear to me
I'm used to the old Blackhat / whitehat distinction so I took that completely different
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That's like saying I must be doing something wrong if I close my curtains at night. Wanting privacy isn't wrong or suspicious.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:56 amA VPN is basically a smoke screen to cover your tracks on the internet. If you need one then you aren't in the best place to be.
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True. But when you are having to use to download/borrow someone else property then it is fraudulent.bedlam wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:29 pmThat's like saying I must be doing something wrong if I close my curtains at night. Wanting privacy isn't wrong or suspicious.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:56 amA VPN is basically a smoke screen to cover your tracks on the internet. If you need one then you aren't in the best place to be.
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Not necessarily. In Oz its illegal to share copyright content, its not illegal to download it.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:32 pmTrue. But when you are having to use to download/borrow someone else property then it is fraudulent.bedlam wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:29 pmThat's like saying I must be doing something wrong if I close my curtains at night. Wanting privacy isn't wrong or suspicious.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:56 amA VPN is basically a smoke screen to cover your tracks on the internet. If you need one then you aren't in the best place to be.
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Definitely not the case here. I can vouch for that.bedlam wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:45 pmNot necessarily. In Oz its illegal to share copyright content, its not illegal to download it.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:32 pmTrue. But when you are having to use to download/borrow someone else property then it is fraudulent.bedlam wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:29 pmThat's like saying I must be doing something wrong if I close my curtains at night. Wanting privacy isn't wrong or suspicious.toxicavenger wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:56 amA VPN is basically a smoke screen to cover your tracks on the internet. If you need one then you aren't in the best place to be.
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No one should suggest that using a VPN is in any way doing something wrong.
It's also not nearly enough if you truly want to hide your activities. Check into browser and system fingerprinting if you want to get a bit uncomfortable about how much tracking is going on. And I'm not talking about the big bad government, I'm talking about sites that use persistent cookies, and try to track what you do and where you do it and then market that data.
Certainly it can be used to help obscure where you're coming from, but in a way it's no different than connecting through your ISP, with the exception that good VPN providers will be unlikely to provide the government logs, as they won't keep any (another good reason to use a VPN provide not incorporated in the US or with any offices or servers there).
It's becoming a more complex world all the time and people need to become a bit more educated.
For instance, weed became legal in Canada, I can order it through the mail. If I do, and use a credit card and that data is stored in the US, what potential problems can that cause? Not clear yet, but I wouldn't doubt for one minute that somewhere there's a scraper looking for exactly that type of data.
So, encrypting wherever you can is a smart first step. Chat / text / data start using non-US based companies wherever possible (Signal, ProtonMail, etc).
It's also not nearly enough if you truly want to hide your activities. Check into browser and system fingerprinting if you want to get a bit uncomfortable about how much tracking is going on. And I'm not talking about the big bad government, I'm talking about sites that use persistent cookies, and try to track what you do and where you do it and then market that data.
Certainly it can be used to help obscure where you're coming from, but in a way it's no different than connecting through your ISP, with the exception that good VPN providers will be unlikely to provide the government logs, as they won't keep any (another good reason to use a VPN provide not incorporated in the US or with any offices or servers there).
It's becoming a more complex world all the time and people need to become a bit more educated.
For instance, weed became legal in Canada, I can order it through the mail. If I do, and use a credit card and that data is stored in the US, what potential problems can that cause? Not clear yet, but I wouldn't doubt for one minute that somewhere there's a scraper looking for exactly that type of data.
So, encrypting wherever you can is a smart first step. Chat / text / data start using non-US based companies wherever possible (Signal, ProtonMail, etc).
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Agreed.jeckyll wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:14 pmNo one should suggest that using a VPN is in any way doing something wrong.
It's also not nearly enough if you truly want to hide your activities. Check into browser and system fingerprinting if you want to get a bit uncomfortable about how much tracking is going on. And I'm not talking about the big bad government, I'm talking about sites that use persistent cookies, and try to track what you do and where you do it and then market that data.
Certainly it can be used to help obscure where you're coming from, but in a way it's no different than connecting through your ISP, with the exception that good VPN providers will be unlikely to provide the government logs, as they won't keep any (another good reason to use a VPN provide not incorporated in the US or with any offices or servers there).
It's becoming a more complex world all the time and people need to become a bit more educated.
For instance, weed became legal in Canada, I can order it through the mail. If I do, and use a credit card and that data is stored in the US, what potential problems can that cause? Not clear yet, but I wouldn't doubt for one minute that somewhere there's a scraper looking for exactly that type of data.
So, encrypting wherever you can is a smart first step. Chat / text / data start using non-US based companies wherever possible (Signal, ProtonMail, etc).
Certainly, you don't know when you might come under scrutiny from others. Having control over the information about you that is in the public domain or accessible to others is basic online self-defense.
Signal, RedPhone, Protonmail are all good privacy minded apps. WhatsApp was too but things have changed with Facebook buying it.
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I'm sure you have similar regional issues in Australia with content as I do in Canada.bedlam wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:07 pmAgreed.
Certainly, you don't know when you might come under scrutiny from others. Having control over the information about you that is in the public domain or accessible to others is basic online self-defense.
Signal, RedPhone, Protonmail are all good privacy minded apps. WhatsApp was too but things have changed with Facebook buying it.
For instance, I like checking out NPR's First Listen for new music, but some albums I can't preview because I'm not in the US. This is exactly one of those areas where having VPN capabilities is really helpful. And, hurts no one, since all I do with it is figure out what new albums to look for on Spotify a few weeks later
"This content is not available in your region" is annoying!
If I was in the UK I'd probably want to VPN out all the time, their new regulations about data retention by ISPs are scary from a "surveillance state" perspective.
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