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That seems to be de blasio's argument, though it's undermined by the fact that he's a feckless dipshit on every front. Even ultra scumbag Gavin "I fucked my buddies wife while on the clock" Newsom managed to do a seemingly decent job.Selym wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:34 pmState and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
That’s the fundamental issue between the two parties, state sovereignty and big government.Selym wrote:State and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
Not sure what testing will do. There isn’t much to do to treat this.River Rat wrote:How come Europe got more testing getting done and they have less people to test than the USA President Truman once said the buck stops here a lot of truth there. Testing the key in stopping this from spreading.
A three day old dog turd left in the sun has a better chance of winning than anyone currently running for the Democrat nomination. Cuomo would be a million times more competitive than either of those geriatrics.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:38 pmThat’s the fundamental issue between the two parties, state sovereignty and big government.Selym wrote:State and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
However, they never made those claims. Diblasio refused to close the schools and Cuomo refused to have people shelter in place. Neither blamed Trump until everything hit the fan.
The irony is that Cuomo may end up being the Dem with the best chance of winning in November.
Biden is a shell of his former self. He’s had at least two aneurysms and is showing some cognitive issues.JP Chestnut wrote:A three day old dog turd left in the sun has a better chance of winning than anyone currently running for the Democrat nomination. Cuomo would be a million times more competitive than either of those geriatrics.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:38 pmThat’s the fundamental issue between the two parties, state sovereignty and big government.Selym wrote:State and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
However, they never made those claims. Diblasio refused to close the schools and Cuomo refused to have people shelter in place. Neither blamed Trump until everything hit the fan.
The irony is that Cuomo may end up being the Dem with the best chance of winning in November.
Here's a maybe not-so-far-fetched conspiracy theory. Biden names Hillary as his running mate. If/when he's elected, he has to step down for health reasons.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:43 pmBiden is a shell of his former self. He’s had at least two aneurysms and is showing some cognitive issues.JP Chestnut wrote:A three day old dog turd left in the sun has a better chance of winning than anyone currently running for the Democrat nomination. Cuomo would be a million times more competitive than either of those geriatrics.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:38 pmThat’s the fundamental issue between the two parties, state sovereignty and big government.Selym wrote:State and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
However, they never made those claims. Diblasio refused to close the schools and Cuomo refused to have people shelter in place. Neither blamed Trump until everything hit the fan.
The irony is that Cuomo may end up being the Dem with the best chance of winning in November.
He’s the great hope for the democrats right now.
It’s really crazy. At least Mayor Pete could put together a coherent thought.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:43 pmBiden is a shell of his former self. He’s had at least two aneurysms and is showing some cognitive issues.JP Chestnut wrote:A three day old dog turd left in the sun has a better chance of winning than anyone currently running for the Democrat nomination. Cuomo would be a million times more competitive than either of those geriatrics.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:38 pmThat’s the fundamental issue between the two parties, state sovereignty and big government.Selym wrote:State and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
However, they never made those claims. Diblasio refused to close the schools and Cuomo refused to have people shelter in place. Neither blamed Trump until everything hit the fan.
The irony is that Cuomo may end up being the Dem with the best chance of winning in November.
He’s the great hope for the democrats right now.
From the beginning of the month but wanted to find a link that looks less political but we are at the bottom of the list in testing in the beginning but slowly moving up. New York would of maybe had faster testing the out come mite be different were they mite of got a handle on it the world health organization did offer us testing kits the US turned them down there's worked. And our first kits made in the USA since a new test were defective in the beginning so slowed down finding who had this shit just glad the US got the hiccups out of the testing kits just not enough testing kits to go around. Like I said the buck stops here and that's the man in charge. Testing will let you know who has it and you can stop the spread so another don't get it has a lot to do with it. Was looking at Bahrain there smaller than California and they tested about as many people as the USA sad we can do better than that you would think.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:40 pmNot sure what testing will do. There isn’t much to do to treat this.River Rat wrote:How come Europe got more testing getting done and they have less people to test than the USA President Truman once said the buck stops here a lot of truth there. Testing the key in stopping this from spreading.
You answered you own question, smaller countries with smaller populations, that are more dependent on the government to take care of them.
FIFYSelym wrote:Here's a maybe not-so-far-fetched conspiracy theory. Biden names Hillary as his running mate. If/when he's elected, he commits suicide.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:43 pmBiden is a shell of his former self. He’s had at least two aneurysms and is showing some cognitive issues.JP Chestnut wrote:A three day old dog turd left in the sun has a better chance of winning than anyone currently running for the Democrat nomination. Cuomo would be a million times more competitive than either of those geriatrics.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:38 pmThat’s the fundamental issue between the two parties, state sovereignty and big government.Selym wrote:State and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
However, they never made those claims. Diblasio refused to close the schools and Cuomo refused to have people shelter in place. Neither blamed Trump until everything hit the fan.
The irony is that Cuomo may end up being the Dem with the best chance of winning in November.
He’s the great hope for the democrats right now.
Trump is in a terrible spot right now. The only way to contain this shit is to basically declare martial law and shut the country down for 2-3 wks. We are a privileged group (regardless of party swing) and I don't think it'd go over well...too many nut jobs (on both sides) here and it would be devastating to the economy.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:49 pmIt’s really crazy. At least Mayor Pete could put together a coherent thought.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:43 pmBiden is a shell of his former self. He’s had at least two aneurysms and is showing some cognitive issues.JP Chestnut wrote:A three day old dog turd left in the sun has a better chance of winning than anyone currently running for the Democrat nomination. Cuomo would be a million times more competitive than either of those geriatrics.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:38 pmThat’s the fundamental issue between the two parties, state sovereignty and big government.Selym wrote:State and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
However, they never made those claims. Diblasio refused to close the schools and Cuomo refused to have people shelter in place. Neither blamed Trump until everything hit the fan.
The irony is that Cuomo may end up being the Dem with the best chance of winning in November.
He’s the great hope for the democrats right now.
Trump might lose, but it’s not going to be because Biden is desirable in any way.
Three bullet wounds to the back of the head.hoppyjr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:10 pmFIFYSelym wrote:Here's a maybe not-so-far-fetched conspiracy theory. Biden names Hillary as his running mate. If/when he's elected, he commits suicide.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:43 pmBiden is a shell of his former self. He’s had at least two aneurysms and is showing some cognitive issues.JP Chestnut wrote:A three day old dog turd left in the sun has a better chance of winning than anyone currently running for the Democrat nomination. Cuomo would be a million times more competitive than either of those geriatrics.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:38 pmThat’s the fundamental issue between the two parties, state sovereignty and big government.Selym wrote:State and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
However, they never made those claims. Diblasio refused to close the schools and Cuomo refused to have people shelter in place. Neither blamed Trump until everything hit the fan.
The irony is that Cuomo may end up being the Dem with the best chance of winning in November.
He’s the great hope for the democrats right now.
You're referring to either Beavis or Butthead I see. Tulsi would have been a better choice imo.JP Chestnut wrote:A three day old dog turd left in the sun has a better chance of winning than anyone currently running for the Democrat nomination. Cuomo would be a million times more competitive than either of those geriatrics.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:38 pmThat’s the fundamental issue between the two parties, state sovereignty and big government.Selym wrote:State and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
However, they never made those claims. Diblasio refused to close the schools and Cuomo refused to have people shelter in place. Neither blamed Trump until everything hit the fan.
The irony is that Cuomo may end up being the Dem with the best chance of winning in November.
That’s Trump. Do you think prison reform is a Republican issue? It’s not.streetracer101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:30 pmJP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:49 pmIt’s really crazy. At least Mayor Pete could put together a coherent thought.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:43 pmBiden is a shell of his former self. He’s had at least two aneurysms and is showing some cognitive issues.JP Chestnut wrote:A three day old dog turd left in the sun has a better chance of winning than anyone currently running for the Democrat nomination. Cuomo would be a million times more competitive than either of those geriatrics.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:38 pmThat’s the fundamental issue between the two parties, state sovereignty and big government.Selym wrote:State and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
However, they never made those claims. Diblasio refused to close the schools and Cuomo refused to have people shelter in place. Neither blamed Trump until everything hit the fan.
The irony is that Cuomo may end up being the Dem with the best chance of winning in November.
He’s the great hope for the democrats right now.
Trump might lose, but it’s not going to be because Biden is desirable in any way.
It'd be nice if political parties could accept that voters don't need (or necessarily want) a candidate that will vote along party lines on every issue and can actually think for themselves. Lately, that seems like too much to ask of any politician.
Tulsi would have been an awesome choice for them. Too bad she didn’t properly kiss Clinton’s ass.59yukon01 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:30 pmYou're referring to either Beavis or Butthead I see. Tulsi would have been a better choice imo.JP Chestnut wrote:A three day old dog turd left in the sun has a better chance of winning than anyone currently running for the Democrat nomination. Cuomo would be a million times more competitive than either of those geriatrics.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:38 pmThat’s the fundamental issue between the two parties, state sovereignty and big government.Selym wrote:State and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
However, they never made those claims. Diblasio refused to close the schools and Cuomo refused to have people shelter in place. Neither blamed Trump until everything hit the fan.
The irony is that Cuomo may end up being the Dem with the best chance of winning in November.
streetracer101 wrote:Trump is in a terrible spot right now. The only way to contain this shit is to basically declare martial law and shut the country down for 2-3 wks. We are a privileged group (regardless of party swing) and I don't think it'd go over well...too many nut jobs (on both sides) here and it would be devastating to the economy.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:49 pmIt’s really crazy. At least Mayor Pete could put together a coherent thought.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:43 pmBiden is a shell of his former self. He’s had at least two aneurysms and is showing some cognitive issues.JP Chestnut wrote:A three day old dog turd left in the sun has a better chance of winning than anyone currently running for the Democrat nomination. Cuomo would be a million times more competitive than either of those geriatrics.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:38 pmThat’s the fundamental issue between the two parties, state sovereignty and big government.Selym wrote:State and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
However, they never made those claims. Diblasio refused to close the schools and Cuomo refused to have people shelter in place. Neither blamed Trump until everything hit the fan.
The irony is that Cuomo may end up being the Dem with the best chance of winning in November.
He’s the great hope for the democrats right now.
Trump might lose, but it’s not going to be because Biden is desirable in any way.
The alternative is to re-open the country for business, let a fair chunk of elderly and immunocomprimised die off and allow the economy to move on. That option has the risk of going terribly, but so does lackadaisical "social distancing" restrictions that go on and on and on at the expense of tens of thousands of restaurants, bars, and countless other businesses that simply cannot self-sustain for weeks or months without income coming in.
As for the Dem presidential candidates - shame on the party for once again putting up garbage candidates for the presidential bid. Biden is a bumbling idiot with a history of failing to gain traction with US voters and Sanders is well..Sanders, a fringy Washington outsider that couldn't get shit done even if he was elected. It'd be nice if political parties could accept that voters don't need (or necessarily want) a candidate that will vote along party lines on every issue and can actually think for themselves. Lately, that seems like too much to ask of any politician.
Fair point.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:32 pmThat’s Trump. Do you think prison reform is a Republican issue? It’s not.streetracer101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:30 pmJP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:49 pmIt’s really crazy. At least Mayor Pete could put together a coherent thought.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:43 pmBiden is a shell of his former self. He’s had at least two aneurysms and is showing some cognitive issues.JP Chestnut wrote:A three day old dog turd left in the sun has a better chance of winning than anyone currently running for the Democrat nomination. Cuomo would be a million times more competitive than either of those geriatrics.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:38 pmThat’s the fundamental issue between the two parties, state sovereignty and big government.Selym wrote:State and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
However, they never made those claims. Diblasio refused to close the schools and Cuomo refused to have people shelter in place. Neither blamed Trump until everything hit the fan.
The irony is that Cuomo may end up being the Dem with the best chance of winning in November.
He’s the great hope for the democrats right now.
Trump might lose, but it’s not going to be because Biden is desirable in any way.
It'd be nice if political parties could accept that voters don't need (or necessarily want) a candidate that will vote along party lines on every issue and can actually think for themselves. Lately, that seems like too much to ask of any politician.
That's why I like her. Clinton will always be a corrupt cunt.JP Chestnut wrote:Tulsi would have been an awesome choice for them. Too bad she didn’t properly kiss Clinton’s ass.59yukon01 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:30 pmYou're referring to either Beavis or Butthead I see. Tulsi would have been a better choice imo.JP Chestnut wrote:A three day old dog turd left in the sun has a better chance of winning than anyone currently running for the Democrat nomination. Cuomo would be a million times more competitive than either of those geriatrics.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:38 pmThat’s the fundamental issue between the two parties, state sovereignty and big government.Selym wrote:State and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
However, they never made those claims. Diblasio refused to close the schools and Cuomo refused to have people shelter in place. Neither blamed Trump until everything hit the fan.
The irony is that Cuomo may end up being the Dem with the best chance of winning in November.
I think personal responsibility died years ago. Most are only concerned with themselves and the small bubble they surround themselves with..not the community as a whole.hoppyjr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:36 pmstreetracer101 wrote:Trump is in a terrible spot right now. The only way to contain this shit is to basically declare martial law and shut the country down for 2-3 wks. We are a privileged group (regardless of party swing) and I don't think it'd go over well...too many nut jobs (on both sides) here and it would be devastating to the economy.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:49 pmIt’s really crazy. At least Mayor Pete could put together a coherent thought.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:43 pmBiden is a shell of his former self. He’s had at least two aneurysms and is showing some cognitive issues.JP Chestnut wrote:A three day old dog turd left in the sun has a better chance of winning than anyone currently running for the Democrat nomination. Cuomo would be a million times more competitive than either of those geriatrics.fastward wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:38 pmThat’s the fundamental issue between the two parties, state sovereignty and big government.Selym wrote:State and local governments might claim they were waiting for guidance from the fed. gov't. In other words, In loco parentis.JP Chestnut wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pmNYC was the last place that I heard of to close their school system. After Michigan. After Ohio. After tiny ass Ithaca NY. Yeah, Trump was the problem.
It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
However, they never made those claims. Diblasio refused to close the schools and Cuomo refused to have people shelter in place. Neither blamed Trump until everything hit the fan.
The irony is that Cuomo may end up being the Dem with the best chance of winning in November.
He’s the great hope for the democrats right now.
Trump might lose, but it’s not going to be because Biden is desirable in any way.
The alternative is to re-open the country for business, let a fair chunk of elderly and immunocomprimised die off and allow the economy to move on. That option has the risk of going terribly, but so does lackadaisical "social distancing" restrictions that go on and on and on at the expense of tens of thousands of restaurants, bars, and countless other businesses that simply cannot self-sustain for weeks or months without income coming in.
As for the Dem presidential candidates - shame on the party for once again putting up garbage candidates for the presidential bid. Biden is a bumbling idiot with a history of failing to gain traction with US voters and Sanders is well..Sanders, a fringy Washington outsider that couldn't get shit done even if he was elected. It'd be nice if political parties could accept that voters don't need (or necessarily want) a candidate that will vote along party lines on every issue and can actually think for themselves. Lately, that seems like too much to ask of any politician.
What ever happened to personal responsibility?
streetracer101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:30 pm
Trump is in a terrible spot right now. The only way to contain this shit is to basically declare martial law and shut the country down for 2-3 wks. We are a privileged group (regardless of party swing) and I don't think it'd go over well...too many nut jobs (on both sides) here and it would be devastating to the economy.
The alternative is to re-open the country for business, let a fair chunk of elderly and immunocomprimised die off and allow the economy to move on. That option has the risk of going terribly, but so does lackadaisical "social distancing" restrictions that go on and on and on at the expense of tens of thousands of restaurants, bars, and countless other businesses that simply cannot self-sustain for weeks or months without income coming in.
As for the Dem presidential candidates - shame on the party for once again putting up garbage candidates for the presidential bid. Biden is a bumbling idiot with a history of failing to gain traction with US voters and Sanders is well..Sanders, a fringy Washington outsider that couldn't get shit done even if he was elected. It'd be nice if political parties could accept that voters don't need (or necessarily want) a candidate that will vote along party lines on every issue and can actually think for themselves. Lately, that seems like too much to ask of any politician.
I don't think another week of "social distancing" is enough. We hit 100 fatalities today in the US and my guess is we'll see similar mortality #'s to Italy by the end of the week. The lack of vents, masks and gowns is enough to allow this thing to burn on for a while.deepcdvr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:03 pmstreetracer101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:30 pm
Trump is in a terrible spot right now. The only way to contain this shit is to basically declare martial law and shut the country down for 2-3 wks. We are a privileged group (regardless of party swing) and I don't think it'd go over well...too many nut jobs (on both sides) here and it would be devastating to the economy.
The alternative is to re-open the country for business, let a fair chunk of elderly and immunocomprimised die off and allow the economy to move on. That option has the risk of going terribly, but so does lackadaisical "social distancing" restrictions that go on and on and on at the expense of tens of thousands of restaurants, bars, and countless other businesses that simply cannot self-sustain for weeks or months without income coming in.
As for the Dem presidential candidates - shame on the party for once again putting up garbage candidates for the presidential bid. Biden is a bumbling idiot with a history of failing to gain traction with US voters and Sanders is well..Sanders, a fringy Washington outsider that couldn't get shit done even if he was elected. It'd be nice if political parties could accept that voters don't need (or necessarily want) a candidate that will vote along party lines on every issue and can actually think for themselves. Lately, that seems like too much to ask of any politician.
I agree with you as to Trump’s choices at this point (although I find the Donald hard to stomach most days, the Dems would have had my vote except, well, they screwed it up again)
Only issue with opening business back up is that best case scenario - and that’s best case assuming curve has been bent enough to handle the ICU floods in the big cities - is that a million will die... Best case of .5% death rate w/ 50% infected, whether they know it or not
Too late for that.JP Chestnut wrote: It's fine not to like the guy, but don't beclown yourself over it.
I agree that a week won’t cut it - certainly not in the biggest cities, but that’s Trump’s MO.streetracer101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:11 pmI don't think another week of "social distancing" is enough. We hit 100 fatalities today in the US and my guess is we'll see similar mortality #'s to Italy by the end of the week. The lack of vents, masks and gowns is enough to allow this thing to burn on for a while.deepcdvr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:03 pmstreetracer101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:30 pm
Trump is in a terrible spot right now. The only way to contain this shit is to basically declare martial law and shut the country down for 2-3 wks. We are a privileged group (regardless of party swing) and I don't think it'd go over well...too many nut jobs (on both sides) here and it would be devastating to the economy.
The alternative is to re-open the country for business, let a fair chunk of elderly and immunocomprimised die off and allow the economy to move on. That option has the risk of going terribly, but so does lackadaisical "social distancing" restrictions that go on and on and on at the expense of tens of thousands of restaurants, bars, and countless other businesses that simply cannot self-sustain for weeks or months without income coming in.
As for the Dem presidential candidates - shame on the party for once again putting up garbage candidates for the presidential bid. Biden is a bumbling idiot with a history of failing to gain traction with US voters and Sanders is well..Sanders, a fringy Washington outsider that couldn't get shit done even if he was elected. It'd be nice if political parties could accept that voters don't need (or necessarily want) a candidate that will vote along party lines on every issue and can actually think for themselves. Lately, that seems like too much to ask of any politician.
I agree with you as to Trump’s choices at this point (although I find the Donald hard to stomach most days, the Dems would have had my vote except, well, they screwed it up again)
Only issue with opening business back up is that best case scenario - and that’s best case assuming curve has been bent enough to handle the ICU floods in the big cities - is that a million will die... Best case of .5% death rate w/ 50% infected, whether they know it or not
The big losers of this will be the small business owners and low to middle class workers. I am really concerned with some of my patients that are full time servers and bartenders. The wealthy will eventually see their portfolios rebound and the corporations will likely get bailed out. Hourly employees are going to get screwed. I've already seen "space available" signs popping up in my community and most restrictions started here about a week ago.
I don't think anyone really knows what they are talking about.deepcdvr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:20 pmI agree that a week won’t cut it - certainly not in the biggest cities, but that’s Trump’s MO.streetracer101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:11 pmI don't think another week of "social distancing" is enough. We hit 100 fatalities today in the US and my guess is we'll see similar mortality #'s to Italy by the end of the week. The lack of vents, masks and gowns is enough to allow this thing to burn on for a while.deepcdvr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:03 pmstreetracer101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:30 pm
Trump is in a terrible spot right now. The only way to contain this shit is to basically declare martial law and shut the country down for 2-3 wks. We are a privileged group (regardless of party swing) and I don't think it'd go over well...too many nut jobs (on both sides) here and it would be devastating to the economy.
The alternative is to re-open the country for business, let a fair chunk of elderly and immunocomprimised die off and allow the economy to move on. That option has the risk of going terribly, but so does lackadaisical "social distancing" restrictions that go on and on and on at the expense of tens of thousands of restaurants, bars, and countless other businesses that simply cannot self-sustain for weeks or months without income coming in.
As for the Dem presidential candidates - shame on the party for once again putting up garbage candidates for the presidential bid. Biden is a bumbling idiot with a history of failing to gain traction with US voters and Sanders is well..Sanders, a fringy Washington outsider that couldn't get shit done even if he was elected. It'd be nice if political parties could accept that voters don't need (or necessarily want) a candidate that will vote along party lines on every issue and can actually think for themselves. Lately, that seems like too much to ask of any politician.
I agree with you as to Trump’s choices at this point (although I find the Donald hard to stomach most days, the Dems would have had my vote except, well, they screwed it up again)
Only issue with opening business back up is that best case scenario - and that’s best case assuming curve has been bent enough to handle the ICU floods in the big cities - is that a million will die... Best case of .5% death rate w/ 50% infected, whether they know it or not
The big losers of this will be the small business owners and low to middle class workers. I am really concerned with some of my patients that are full time servers and bartenders. The wealthy will eventually see their portfolios rebound and the corporations will likely get bailed out. Hourly employees are going to get screwed. I've already seen "space available" signs popping up in my community and most restrictions started here about a week ago.
He says “we’re open in a week” and people lose their minds, then when he backs off and adds a couple of weeks or a month, people give him a pass - it’s the Queens real estate magnate BS trick to low ball hard on your first offer...
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If we can bend the curve for a few more weeks, we may come through this ok in the big cities, maybe not? The rest of the country will be just fine, though, looking at the trends so far.
I generally don’t know what I’m talking about so...