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Re: Global slow down...

Post by dnslater » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:35 am

Ryeguy wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:30 am
PPE - absolutely. Vents - maybe (we still have only so many care providers who can set up a ventilator).
Most modern hospitals are set up with the infrastructure (medical air/oxygen/power) to use a vent in every patient room (all ICU rooms, Medical/Surgical rooms, birthing rooms, etc...) but lack the actual equipment and staff training to support that amount of usage. Staff can be trained, but need the equipment.

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Re: Global slow down...

Post by demer03 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:46 am

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Re: Global slow down...

Post by Cabaiguan » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:48 am

An average of over 102 people die in car accidents in the US in ONE day. Let’s get a grip. Media is blowing this shit out of proportion. If you’re older or in poor health, stay indoors and limit interaction. Otherwise, open the economy up and work toward vaccine.
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Re: Global slow down...

Post by gonzomantis » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:54 am

Cabaiguan wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:48 am
An average of over 102 people die in car accidents in the US in ONE day. Let’s get a grip. Media is blowing this shit out of proportion. If you’re older or in poor health, stay indoors and limit interaction. Otherwise, open the economy up and work toward vaccine.
I can believe that number, for deaths. The bigger issue appears to be number of hospitalizations required.

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Re: Global slow down...

Post by dnslater » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:56 am

demer03 wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:46 am
^^this guy knows headwalls ^^ :lol:
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Re: Global slow down...

Post by SoCal C4S » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:58 am

Steve O. wrote:This is getting really old. I know that I can freely avoid reading this thread, but I'm like a deer in headlights. Everyone is an expert, and the liberal BS being spouted off, epecially by one individual, is too much.
We’re all adults here, political affiliation and beliefs notwithstanding. No need to get triggered by what is posted. Just unsubscribe from the thread or scroll on past the post(s) that bother you...

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Re: Global slow down...

Post by fastward » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:59 am

gonzomantis wrote:
Cabaiguan wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:48 am
An average of over 102 people die in car accidents in the US in ONE day. Let’s get a grip. Media is blowing this shit out of proportion. If you’re older or in poor health, stay indoors and limit interaction. Otherwise, open the economy up and work toward vaccine.
I can believe that number, for deaths. The bigger issue appears to be number of hospitalizations required.
More than that died in NYC yesterday. This is going to continue to get worse.

We need to try to minimize the spread as best as possible as to not overload the healthcare system.

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Re: Global slow down...

Post by JP Chestnut » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:59 am

SoCal C4S wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:58 am
Steve O. wrote:This is getting really old. I know that I can freely avoid reading this thread, but I'm like a deer in headlights. Everyone is an expert, and the liberal BS being spouted off, epecially by one individual, is too much.
We’re all adults here, political affiliation and beliefs notwithstanding. No need to get triggered by what is posted. Just unsubscribe from the thread or scroll on past the post(s) that bother you...
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Re: Global slow down...

Post by Ryeguy » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:01 am

dnslater wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:35 am
Ryeguy wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:30 am
PPE - absolutely. Vents - maybe (we still have only so many care providers who can set up a ventilator).
Most modern hospitals are set up with the infrastructure (medical air/oxygen/power) to use a vent in every patient room (all ICU rooms, Medical/Surgical rooms, birthing rooms, etc...) but lack the actual equipment and staff training to support that amount of usage. Staff can be trained, but need the equipment.
While I agree with your statement, the point I was trying to make was "more ventilators" isn't enough of an answer for me to want to reduce my COVID-19 level of awareness.

There are a number of risks associated with ventilator use (with a number of them being the result of improper ventilator set up). The process of weaning people off ventilators is also challenging. The reality is some people never come off vents once they go on them.

A proven therapeutic protocol to minimize the number of people who need ICU-level care is the key IMO.

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Re: Global slow down...

Post by pacifichrono » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:09 am

aztecknight wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:05 am
...Take this time to build a shit load of ventilators and PPE and some hospital space, then open everything up. The problem is we can't treat it, if the people have confidence we can treat it and not overwhelm the medical system, they'd be more likely to move on with their lives.
Good point. Obviously, next week or the week after is NOT the right time issue the "all clear," but 18 months is ludicrous and would not only cripple the rest of OUR lives, but our CHILDREN'S lives as well!
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Re: Global slow down...

Post by toxicavenger » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:09 am

demer03 wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:25 am
It’s finding the acceptable balance that people will argue and question for decades to come. I don’t envy the man or woman who has to make that call.
Right. There is no winning in this situation. Trying to find out the best solution is going to be tough.

I really hope this wakes some people up and they learn to "live" again. Just way to much anger and hate. If anything I have seen some super selfish people react in ways I did not believe was possible. :banghead:

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Re: Global slow down...

Post by sierra11b » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:10 am

No pork? All for the people they said...

What a steaming pile of crap.

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Re: Global slow down...

Post by BBK357 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:10 am

Ryeguy wrote:
dnslater wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:35 am
Ryeguy wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:30 am
PPE - absolutely. Vents - maybe (we still have only so many care providers who can set up a ventilator).
Most modern hospitals are set up with the infrastructure (medical air/oxygen/power) to use a vent in every patient room (all ICU rooms, Medical/Surgical rooms, birthing rooms, etc...) but lack the actual equipment and staff training to support that amount of usage. Staff can be trained, but need the equipment.
While I agree with your statement, the point I was trying to make was "more ventilators" isn't enough of an answer for me to want to reduce my COVID-19 level of awareness.

There are a number of risks associated with ventilator use (with a number of them being the result of improper ventilator set up). The process of weaning people off ventilators is also challenging. The reality is some people never come off vents once they go on them.

A proven therapeutic protocol to minimize the number of people who need ICU-level care is the key IMO.

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This.

And- Elon can buy vents for every American, but good luck finding nurses m/rt who have been properly trained.
As mentioned way above on this thread, a sm/med suburban hospital near Columbus has 4 vents. I can guarantee less than a handful of nurses/rt there know how to properly use them. And docs prob don’t even know settings/weaning protocol.


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Re: Global slow down...

Post by pacifichrono » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:15 am

By far, the BIGGEST problem with this COVID-19 thing is: no sports...none, nada, zip, not even t-ball. :banghead: :angryfire: :scream: :cussing:
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Re: Global slow down...

Post by Selym » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:16 am

Cabaiguan wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:48 am
An average of over 102 people die in car accidents in the US in ONE day. Let’s get a grip. Media is blowing this shit out of proportion. If you’re older or in poor health, stay indoors and limit interaction. Otherwise, open the economy up and work toward vaccine.
Car accidents aren't contagious.

A person with a mild case that doesn't require hospital intervention can infect an at-risk person. That's the reason for "social distancing".

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Re: Global slow down...

Post by demer03 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:24 am

BBK357 wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:10 am
Ryeguy wrote:
dnslater wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:35 am
Ryeguy wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:30 am
PPE - absolutely. Vents - maybe (we still have only so many care providers who can set up a ventilator).
Most modern hospitals are set up with the infrastructure (medical air/oxygen/power) to use a vent in every patient room (all ICU rooms, Medical/Surgical rooms, birthing rooms, etc...) but lack the actual equipment and staff training to support that amount of usage. Staff can be trained, but need the equipment.
While I agree with your statement, the point I was trying to make was "more ventilators" isn't enough of an answer for me to want to reduce my COVID-19 level of awareness.

There are a number of risks associated with ventilator use (with a number of them being the result of improper ventilator set up). The process of weaning people off ventilators is also challenging. The reality is some people never come off vents once they go on them.

A proven therapeutic protocol to minimize the number of people who need ICU-level care is the key IMO.

^
This.

And- Elon can buy vents for every American, but good luck finding nurses m/rt who have been properly trained.
As mentioned way above on this thread, a sm/med suburban hospital near Columbus has 4 vents. I can guarantee less than a handful of nurses/rt there know how to properly use them. And docs prob don’t even know settings/weaning protocol.


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At least there is a shift to four year degreed RT’s. Nothing against the old on-the-job trained from the old days. My daughters program was much more rigorous and at a depth the ones she’s replaced never experienced. Some of the near retirees are shockingly inexperienced to many conditions.
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Re: Global slow down...

Post by HapaHapa » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:42 am

sierra11b wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:10 am
No pork? All for the people they said...

What a steaming pile of crap.
I like pork
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Re: Global slow down...

Post by deepcdvr » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:12 am

dnslater wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:40 am
deepcdvr wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:36 am

Good point

From this morning - these are cases per state per MILLION inhabitants, many millions of them who are this morning out of work. Do you think they would like to return to work in 46 states where they may have 30-40 people with the flu per MILLION inhabitants? Many of those states having record low unemployment rates just a few days ago...

I'm not saying I have an opinion one way or another - nor am I referencing "the Donald" - just saying we have a decision to make in the near future.


1920px-COVID-19_outbreak_USA_per_capita_cases_map_svg.png
Keep in mind that this is NOT actual cases per state per million, but CONFIRMED cases per state per million. The country is in it's infancy in testing so our data is extremely flawed until more testing is done. Hopefully we will know more in a couple of weeks. I am a business owner who is feeling the hurt, and completely understand that there is a business decision to be made regarding the tipping point, we just need better data to make a more informed decision.
True - only confirmed - and the numbers are low and arguably the tip of the iceberg.

But what is also “confirmed” are the deaths - so to your point, as testing gets ramped up, confirmed cases (which 99% recover from) will go up. My point is that % of fatalities will go *down* as confirmed cases go up.
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Re: Global slow down...

Post by hoppyjr » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:14 am

deepcdvr wrote:
dnslater wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:40 am
deepcdvr wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:36 am

Good point

From this morning - these are cases per state per MILLION inhabitants, many millions of them who are this morning out of work. Do you think they would like to return to work in 46 states where they may have 30-40 people with the flu per MILLION inhabitants? Many of those states having record low unemployment rates just a few days ago...

I'm not saying I have an opinion one way or another - nor am I referencing "the Donald" - just saying we have a decision to make in the near future.


1920px-COVID-19_outbreak_USA_per_capita_cases_map_svg.png
Keep in mind that this is NOT actual cases per state per million, but CONFIRMED cases per state per million. The country is in it's infancy in testing so our data is extremely flawed until more testing is done. Hopefully we will know more in a couple of weeks. I am a business owner who is feeling the hurt, and completely understand that there is a business decision to be made regarding the tipping point, we just need better data to make a more informed decision.
True - only confirmed - and the numbers are low and arguably the tip of the iceberg.

But what is also “confirmed” are the deaths - so to your point, as testing gets ramped up, confirmed cases (which 99% recover from) will go up. My point is that % of fatalities will go *down* as confirmed cases go up.
I’ve been saying that too. It’s a fact.

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Global slow down...

Post by BBK357 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:23 am

demer03 wrote:
BBK357 wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:10 am
Ryeguy wrote:
dnslater wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:35 am
Ryeguy wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:30 am
PPE - absolutely. Vents - maybe (we still have only so many care providers who can set up a ventilator).
Most modern hospitals are set up with the infrastructure (medical air/oxygen/power) to use a vent in every patient room (all ICU rooms, Medical/Surgical rooms, birthing rooms, etc...) but lack the actual equipment and staff training to support that amount of usage. Staff can be trained, but need the equipment.
While I agree with your statement, the point I was trying to make was "more ventilators" isn't enough of an answer for me to want to reduce my COVID-19 level of awareness.

There are a number of risks associated with ventilator use (with a number of them being the result of improper ventilator set up). The process of weaning people off ventilators is also challenging. The reality is some people never come off vents once they go on them.

A proven therapeutic protocol to minimize the number of people who need ICU-level care is the key IMO.

^
This.

And- Elon can buy vents for every American, but good luck finding nurses m/rt who have been properly trained.
As mentioned way above on this thread, a sm/med suburban hospital near Columbus has 4 vents. I can guarantee less than a handful of nurses/rt there know how to properly use them. And docs prob don’t even know settings/weaning protocol.


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At least there is a shift to four year degreed RT’s. Nothing against the old on-the-job trained from the old days. My daughters program was much more rigorous and at a depth the ones she’s replaced never experienced. Some of the near retirees are shockingly inexperienced to many conditions.
I find that older staff who have stayed in the same place are the ones who are a little too “comfortable” (lazy). In my area they don’t last long- the hospital finds a place for them. The one they use most is Patient placement. That’s where they go when they are grumpy or just plain lazy, but not fireable.
Def ones that I don’t want around me in a critical situation.


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Re: Global slow down...

Post by sierra11b » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:43 am

hoppyjr wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:14 am
deepcdvr wrote:
dnslater wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:40 am
deepcdvr wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:36 am

Good point

From this morning - these are cases per state per MILLION inhabitants, many millions of them who are this morning out of work. Do you think they would like to return to work in 46 states where they may have 30-40 people with the flu per MILLION inhabitants? Many of those states having record low unemployment rates just a few days ago...

I'm not saying I have an opinion one way or another - nor am I referencing "the Donald" - just saying we have a decision to make in the near future.


1920px-COVID-19_outbreak_USA_per_capita_cases_map_svg.png
Keep in mind that this is NOT actual cases per state per million, but CONFIRMED cases per state per million. The country is in it's infancy in testing so our data is extremely flawed until more testing is done. Hopefully we will know more in a couple of weeks. I am a business owner who is feeling the hurt, and completely understand that there is a business decision to be made regarding the tipping point, we just need better data to make a more informed decision.
True - only confirmed - and the numbers are low and arguably the tip of the iceberg.

But what is also “confirmed” are the deaths - so to your point, as testing gets ramped up, confirmed cases (which 99% recover from) will go up. My point is that % of fatalities will go *down* as confirmed cases go up.
I’ve been saying that too. It’s a fact.
Yep.

We've just gotta make sure to avoid the 50 car pile-up on the interstate in the meantime.

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Re: Global slow down...

Post by pacifichrono » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:47 am

Trump says he wants to open the economy back up within two weeks:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/politics ... index.html

:rolleyes:
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Re: Global slow down...

Post by Steve O. » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:53 am

SoCal C4S wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:58 am
Steve O. wrote:This is getting really old. I know that I can freely avoid reading this thread, but I'm like a deer in headlights. Everyone is an expert, and the liberal BS being spouted off, epecially by one individual, is too much.
We’re all adults here, political affiliation and beliefs notwithstanding. No need to get triggered by what is posted. Just unsubscribe from the thread or scroll on past the post(s) that bother you...
What the did I say?
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Re: Global slow down...

Post by JP Chestnut » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:55 am

pacifichrono wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:47 am
Trump says he wants to open the economy back up within two weeks:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/politics ... index.html

:rolleyes:
Trump is his usual blustery and blunt self, but Cuomo isn't exactly contradicting him.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/gov-cuomo ... e-economy/

We all get it though. Nothing Trump does is good or right. :shrug:

It's not like all presidents fuck up sometimes:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11238121/ ... ow-supply/

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Re: Global slow down...

Post by Steve O. » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:58 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:59 am
SoCal C4S wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:58 am
Steve O. wrote:This is getting really old. I know that I can freely avoid reading this thread, but I'm like a deer in headlights. Everyone is an expert, and the liberal BS being spouted off, epecially by one individual, is too much.
We’re all adults here, political affiliation and beliefs notwithstanding. No need to get triggered by what is posted. Just unsubscribe from the thread or scroll on past the post(s) that bother you...
Do you even internet bro?
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