Wrong Movements Installed in Unimatic U1?

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Re: Wrong Movements Installed in Unimatic U1?

Post by hoppyjr » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:25 pm

When Unimatic first launched I loved the design of the original model. I reached out via email with some basic questions, but only got generic “canned” answers. When I pressed for specifics on a couple things I was brushed off.

I found that enough to keep from giving them my business. Now I’m glad I did.

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Re: Wrong Movements Installed in Unimatic U1?

Post by logan2z » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:53 pm

tattoo chef wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:23 pm
Apparently someone emailed Unimatic and sent them the link and their response was “haters gonna hate”
That doesn't sound very Italian :rolleyes:

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Re: Wrong Movements Installed in Unimatic U1?

Post by tattoo chef » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:57 pm

hoppyjr wrote:When Unimatic first launched I loved the design of the original model. I reached out via email with some basic questions, but only got generic “canned” answers. When I pressed for specifics on a couple things I was brushed off.

I found that enough to keep from giving them my business. Now I’m glad I did.
That’s interesting. I say that because one of the benefits to microbrands is that you can usually get great communication from the owner etc and it’s surprising that as a potential customer they brushed you off.


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Re: Wrong Movements Installed in Unimatic U1?

Post by gwells » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:14 pm

just makes me appreciate jason and halios more. he's obviously had some issues with the seaforth popularity, but he still communicates, accepts the blame when things go wrong, and treats people with respect. seems like we keep seeing more and more of the micro owners essentially lashing out.

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Re: Wrong Movements Installed in Unimatic U1?

Post by 93 Turbo » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:54 am

logan2z wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:53 pm
tattoo chef wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:23 pm
Apparently someone emailed Unimatic and sent them the link and their response was “haters gonna hate”
That doesn't sound very Italian :rolleyes:
Right about now their watches have become hot potatoes...
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Re: Wrong Movements Installed in Unimatic U1?

Post by Ryeguy » Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:31 am

logan2z wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:53 pm
tattoo chef wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:23 pm
Apparently someone emailed Unimatic and sent them the link and their response was “haters gonna hate”
That doesn't sound very Italian :rolleyes:
"Odiatori che vanno a odiare" - sounds much better!

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Re: Wrong Movements Installed in Unimatic U1?

Post by toxicavenger » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:02 pm

mfxr wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:40 pm
I hope people benefit from knowing what is going on inside here, but also I think torches and pitchforks aimed at Unimatic is a bit much. If it was a big expensive Swiss brand, then hell yes they should get flamed, but in the context of a cheap micro not so much (IMHO)

For me, I flexed the plastic bridges up a bit and reattached the caseback. This has improved the moving around, probably back to the level it was before (when I didn't notice it) Obviously I notice any movement now (ignorance is bliss I guess)

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Matt thanks for the update. Glad you got it sorted. :salute:
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In my line of work, where we deal with weapons, demolition, navigation systems, etc, there is zero tolerance (pardon the pun) for substandard parts or shoddy work. A considerable percentage of the cost of military gear is the requirement for government (ie independent) inspection and testing of vendor supplied equipment during the acquisition phase before the government fields said equipment. The process requires rigorous testing in various environments before we send a lot of taxpayer dollars to a vendor. (I know, there have been spectacular mistakes made in the past - just explaining how it’s supposed to work).

In this case - again, pardon the pun - the watch company designs, manufactures, inspects, tests and sells the public a product. We, the consumers, have to trust that the vendor is 100% above board in performing the QA before taking our money. I understand what Terry is saying about this maybe not being such a big deal, but watching how they react to this isssue would tell me a lot about wether they are a company to deal with or not..
Paul I totally get where you are coming from. But I was just a comms guy in the military. And most of my equipment was bottom of the barrel shit. To the point that they took all of our plates from our armored vest because they were recalled. At that time we were still doing red zone missions without any plates because they returned them :banghead: . We constantly had shitty equipment to the point that a bunch of us bought our own stuff.

So for me that process is not the same at all.

I don't think Unimatic will say anything. Because I really don't they see there is a problem. And honestly neither do I. All I see is a case that has a notch on the inside for another movement to work in it. The manufacture of that watch makes a thousand watches a month, they would definitely know what works or what wouldn't work.

I know as a armchair watchmaker we would all like to see a better designer for the movement holder. I definitely would. But if brands relied on us to tell them what is correct or not correct then they would never put out a product.

If anything I would love to hear Jake's reasoning for the video. For some reason I don't see the angle. :shrug:

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Re: Wrong Movements Installed in Unimatic U1?

Post by toxicavenger » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:34 pm

matt.wu wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:20 pm
tattoo chef wrote:So, I saw this post on Facebook while scrolling through today. Jake actually posted it and has it as a sponsored Facebook post.

Apparently someone emailed Unimatic and sent them the link and their response was “haters gonna hate”



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Re: Wrong Movements Installed in Unimatic U1?

Post by Jcp311 » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:12 pm

Wow....What a thread. I've got three U1's and to my knowledge they all have the plastic spacer ring. I've also known this for a while and didn't think it was scandalous. On occasion not too long ago I opened up my U1-D out of curiosity and noticed the plastic ring. I thought it was cheap, but then I remembered it wasn't a hugely expensive watch. That said this video was more enlightening to the issue.

I don't think it devalues the watch if it doesn't create an issue. I actually did have the dial play issue on my first gen U1, but unimatic paid for shipping both ways to fix it. Not sure what they did as I haven't opened the case to check, but my hunch is that they just put another plastic spacer ring in there that didn't allow the dial to move.
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Re: Wrong Movements Installed in Unimatic U1?

Post by justsellbrgs » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:10 am

freakin sherpas at it again...
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Re: Wrong Movements Installed in Unimatic U1?

Post by stonehead887 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:37 am

Wow, just got through this thread, mainly because I am interested in buying the U2, advertised as fitted with Seiko NH35 movement. I know this discussion is centred around the U1 but it's also brand and product confidence.
Once I had got through the sometimes slightly heated and off topic debate, has any on the Unimatic owners had any kind of feedback from the company! Has any one gone back to them with their concerns? Apart from 1 mention of the brand taking down an IG, has anybody heard anything from them!

I ask as this will go towards brand confidence? Some will view it as a one of embarrassing mistake, other will happily trash the whole company but for me, making a mistake is one thing, how you respond is something entirely different and depending one whether there is any company feedback anyone can give, will go towards my decision as to whether they gain a new customer. I will likely email them too and see how it goes.

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Re: Wrong Movements Installed in Unimatic U1?

Post by toxicavenger » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:18 pm

stonehead887 wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:37 am
Wow, just got through this thread, mainly because I am interested in buying the U2, advertised as fitted with Seiko NH35 movement. I know this discussion is centred around the U1 but it's also brand and product confidence.
Once I had got through the sometimes slightly heated and off topic debate, has any on the Unimatic owners had any kind of feedback from the company! Has any one gone back to them with their concerns? Apart from 1 mention of the brand taking down an IG, has anybody heard anything from them!

I ask as this will go towards brand confidence? Some will view it as a one of embarrassing mistake, other will happily trash the whole company but for me, making a mistake is one thing, how you respond is something entirely different and depending one whether there is any company feedback anyone can give, will go towards my decision as to whether they gain a new customer. I will likely email them too and see how it goes.

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This is what I heard from Unimatic:
Unimatic Watches <info@unimaticwatches.com>
Thu, Oct 25, 9:45 AM (6 days ago)
to me

Hi Terry,

Sorry for the late reply, our office is hectic at the moment and thank you for the heads up!
We are really disappointed to see Dagaz put up such a misleading video content and aimed to simply show what he intended to show.
We will investigate this matter and thanks again for letting us know. :)

Thank you

Best,
Katherine

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Re: Wrong Movements Installed in Unimatic U1?

Post by Ryeguy » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:33 pm

I'm actually really curious as to what Unimatic discovers in their investigation and what they are willing to disclose to the public.

While I have no personal Dagaz experience to go by, I don't think Jake was dishonest in his video. That said, I do think it is odd that a watch brand owner would make a video disparaging another watch brand's product. It is almost like he is calling out Unimatic to take apart and find fault with one of his watches.

I really don't think there is much mystery to this Unimatic scenario. I'm betting Unimatic originally designed the cases for the Miyota 9015 movement and something went wrong with their intended supplier. When the supply fell through, Unimatic had to jump to the NH35.

The use of two spacers is obviously a sub-optimal design, but they probably couldn't afford to scrap all those cases, so they did what they did to save the production run.

Personally, I would have preferred to see Unimatic machine a more robust movement spacer ring out of metal or Derlin. I think this would have been more secure than the provided ring, but I also realize they were likely highly budget constrained - potentially more than normal assuming my hypothesis about the last minute movement swap is accurate.

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Re: Wrong Movements Installed in Unimatic U1?

Post by Selym » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:56 pm

Ryeguy wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:33 pm
Personally, I would have preferred to see Unimatic machine a more robust movement spacer ring out of metal or Derlin. I think this would have been more secure than the provided ring, but I also realize they were likely highly budget constrained - potentially more than normal assuming my hypothesis about the last minute movement swap is accurate.
Agreed. I like Vostok's design. They use a spacer that is fastened to the mid-case with two screws, and has two screws whose heads snug against Seiko's integrated spacer.

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