Shogun vs Pelagos

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by MDF » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:39 pm

Panerai7 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:54 pm
tyd450 wrote:
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Hypothetical question .Would any of you guys still pick the ETA over the in house if the in house had the same 2 lines of text on the dial instead of the novel?
Then it would solely depend on price and availability. I would take either
Another thing I like about the 2-liner is it still has an applied lume marker by the date even though it's smaller I like that about it.
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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by matt.wu » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:18 pm

tyd450 wrote:
Panerai7 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:54 pm
tyd450 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:04 pm
Hypothetical question .Would any of you guys still pick the ETA over the in house if the in house had the same 2 lines of text on the dial instead of the novel?
Then it would solely depend on price and availability. I would take either
Same price, both brand new and in front of you for the taking...which one do you grab? :mrgreen:
Same price, and two lines of text? In-house for me for sure.
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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by toxicavenger » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:49 pm

Shogun says it is 44mm, it wears smaller imo. The bezel sounds "tingy" when operating it. I liked it, but the Pelagos is whole different watch. Also the Pelagos has one of the best bezels made imo.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by tyd450 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:55 pm

I just stumbled across the mido ocean star in titanium...I had never heard of it but it looks really promising and a nice alternative to the Shogun.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by toxicavenger » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:57 pm

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I just stumbled across the mido ocean star in titanium...I had never heard of it but it looks really promising and a nice alternative to the Shogun.
It is definitely an alternative for sure. :cheers:

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by dnslater » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:54 am

tyd450 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:55 pm
I just stumbled across the mido ocean star in titanium...I had never heard of it but it looks really promising and a nice alternative to the Shogun.
I’ve owned this one as well. If you like a good bracelet and don’t mind the orange, the MIdo is an excellent alternative to the Shogun. MIdo seems to do some adjusting on timing on their 2824 movements as both Midos I have owned have been very accurate. The MIdo is super thin and more comfortable on the wrist than the Tudor or Seiko. Wears more like a classic SMP.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Panerai7 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:21 am

tyd450 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:22 pm
Panerai7 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:54 pm
tyd450 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:04 pm
Hypothetical question .Would any of you guys still pick the ETA over the in house if the in house had the same 2 lines of text on the dial instead of the novel?
Then it would solely depend on price and availability. I would take either
Same price, both brand new and in front of you for the taking...which one do you grab? :mrgreen:
In that case I would take in-house, only just so I don't have to hear some moron comparing it with some Helson with eta2824

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Denizen » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:55 am

tyd450 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:22 pm
Panerai7 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:54 pm
tyd450 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:04 pm
Hypothetical question .Would any of you guys still pick the ETA over the in house if the in house had the same 2 lines of text on the dial instead of the novel?
Then it would solely depend on price and availability. I would take either
Same price, both brand new and in front of you for the taking...which one do you grab? :mrgreen:
Hypotheticals are nice to throw back and forth on, but the reality is the Pelagos will very likely remain with 3-4 lines of text.

The in-house movement is a nice touch, but IMO not at the cost of having to see all that text on the dial every time you look at your watch. I'd say if you can land a two-liner at a good price, it's worth it.

Now the LDH is different...if you were thinking of that, then :cheers:
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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Steelman » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:03 am

agree with 2 liner.

Nothing wrong with a modified ETA

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Selym » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:43 am

dnslater wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:20 pm
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Hypothetical question .Would any of you guys still pick the ETA over the in house if the in house had the same 2 lines of text on the dial instead of the novel?
Height difference is .5mm and all in the caseback, so yes, the dial is the turnoff for most. The advantages of the in house are clear with double the power reserve and better than COSC accuracy.
The ETA movement is more practical. Most watchmakers will have access to parts, whereas the in-house movement will likely have to be serviced by Tudor.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Ruggs » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:03 pm

I went w the 2 liner. Would rather have the reliability and easy service of the ETA. And thinner, less text, lume plot by the date, etc.


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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Panerai7 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:23 pm

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Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:03 pm
I went w the 2 liner. Would rather have the reliability and easy service of the ETA. And thinner, less text, lume plot by the date, etc.


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I keep forgetting about the lume plot next to date. Wonder why Tudor decided to drop it

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by tyd450 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:36 pm

I'm forgetting about everything else and I'm just going to save up for the Pelagos, no other stops along the way. ETA or In House is TBD.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Jeep99dad » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:40 pm

Panerai7 wrote:
Ruggs wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:03 pm
I went w the 2 liner. Would rather have the reliability and easy service of the ETA. And thinner, less text, lume plot by the date, etc.


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I keep forgetting about the lume plot next to date. Wonder why Tudor decided to drop it
Because of the date location on their in-house.
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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Erratic101 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:46 pm

Pelagos!!! Haven’t even thought of wearing anything else since I got it!
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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Jeep99dad » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:50 am

All these talks and posts about Pelagos lately make me want a 11th and as a keeper this time of course
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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Jeep99dad » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:51 am

All these talks and posts about Pelagos lately make me want a 11th and as a keeper this time of course
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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by dnslater » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:03 am

Jeep99dad wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:51 am
All these talks and posts about Pelagos lately make me want a 11th and as a keeper this time of course Image
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It is definitely a watch that sticks with you in the head. I keep thinking about another too..... damn I hope they make a thinner version with the new movement.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Panerai7 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:59 am

dnslater wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:03 am
Jeep99dad wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:51 am
All these talks and posts about Pelagos lately make me want a 11th and as a keeper this time of course Image
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It is definitely a watch that sticks with you in the head. I keep thinking about another too..... damn I hope they make a thinner version with the new movement.
Not to beat a dead horse but I really don't remember Pelagos being particularly thick in any way.
I mean it's 14.3 for the in-house and 13.8 for ETA - not thick.

Black Bay with in-house is 14.8mm
Shoot, my SLA017 62mas was 14.1 and it was 39.9mm in diameter, talk about 5x6 look and feel on the wrist.
All Sinn chronos, 103, 356,358 are 16.5-17, and pretty much every 7750-based chrono is that thick
Turtle is 14mm,
Subc is 13mm without the cyclops
Speedy pro is 14mm and everyone loves it, PO 2500D is 14.2 and its everyone's nostalgia hard-on how thin and comfortable it was...
I don't see how Pelagos was abnormally thick unless you're used to some dress watches, plus Titanium is lighter than most of the watches I just mentioned, and half of people around here are wearing them on double-ply Nato that's another 2.5mm additional thickness to the watch.
I'm not even comparing it to DSSD at 17mm or Panerai Luminor case 16.5 or PO 8500 at 16+mm and other chunky monkeys

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by hoppyjr » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:10 am

^ I agree it’s not actually thick, but the style is rather slab-sided and we’ve already talked about lug hole placement.

While I like the thinner case (and movement) of the BB58, the side photos indicate it follows the same design and lug hole placement, albeit on a smaller scale.


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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by matt.wu » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:51 am

Jeep99dad wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:51 am
All these talks and posts about Pelagos lately make me want a 11th and as a keeper this time of course Image
I've had a couple or three as well, and it seems to be sticking for me this time as well. I'm not sure what the change is for me - I'm guessing it has something to do with the meteoric rise in pricing of comparable watches (especially Rolex sport models) that all of the sudden make the value proposition ridiculously compelling.

When a No Date SubC was $5k (or an SD-C at $6k) and a Pelegos was $2.5k, it was a bit tougher, even though the Pelagos was a damn terrific watch even at introduction. But when that exact same Sub is $7.5k and the SD is $10k, the Pelagos (still at that same $2.5kish) becomes irresistible.

I think for me, it also has to do with the fact that my tastes in watches are changing yet again, and if anything, settling down a bit. The watch bubble (both in vintage and Rolex/Patek) has soured me a bit on anything "high-end". Yet another reason Tudor as a whole is appealing right now.
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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by dnslater » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:31 am

Panerai7 wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:59 am
dnslater wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:03 am
Jeep99dad wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:51 am
All these talks and posts about Pelagos lately make me want a 11th and as a keeper this time of course Image
:lol:

It is definitely a watch that sticks with you in the head. I keep thinking about another too..... damn I hope they make a thinner version with the new movement.
Not to beat a dead horse but I really don't remember Pelagos being particularly thick in any way.
I mean it's 14.3 for the in-house and 13.8 for ETA - not thick.

Black Bay with in-house is 14.8mm
Shoot, my SLA017 62mas was 14.1 and it was 39.9mm in diameter, talk about 5x6 look and feel on the wrist.
All Sinn chronos, 103, 356,358 are 16.5-17, and pretty much every 7750-based chrono is that thick
Turtle is 14mm,
Subc is 13mm without the cyclops
Speedy pro is 14mm and everyone loves it, PO 2500D is 14.2 and its everyone's nostalgia hard-on how thin and comfortable it was...
I don't see how Pelagos was abnormally thick unless you're used to some dress watches, plus Titanium is lighter than most of the watches I just mentioned, and half of people around here are wearing them on double-ply Nato that's another 2.5mm additional thickness to the watch.
I'm not even comparing it to DSSD at 17mm or Panerai Luminor case 16.5 or PO 8500 at 16+mm and other chunky monkeys
I wore a Pelagos daily for a year several years back, and have most recently wore a Speedy pro for most of the past year. The numbers are somewhat meaningless, it really comes down to the case shape. Speedy has a thin mid case, with much of the thickness being in the case back and acrylic crystal, so it wears thin and easily slips under a sleeve. Pelagos has a blocky design and just wears differently/feels differently on the wrist - and I don't like blocky watches. Comes down to personal preference.......

It certainly is not abnormally thick, but the gold standard for wear ability is the Rolex sub case profile and the Pelagos wears differently. An incredible watch regardless.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Panerai7 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:45 am

Case shape of course plays a role
Although Pelagos does suffer from a mild case of Nomos lugs it's nowhere near BB gaps

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by tyd450 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:58 am

Yeah I am going to need to find a 2-liner ASAP.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Torrid » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:48 am

Just a great looking watch. I’ve never handled one and I’ve always been drawn to the Black Bay, but I think I would pick the Pelagos these days. It seems more modern yet somehow cleaner at the same time.

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