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Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by tyd450 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:46 pm

I am looking for a titanium diver for my everyday watch and would love to hear from guys who have had both of these.

Do I owe it to myself to try out a Shogun first or should I just skip it and just save up and go for the Pelagos

I'm about half way towards a pelagos right now, will probably be able to get one without much of a struggle budget wise by the start of 2019. Still unsure if I'd want ETA or In House. That being said I could get a used Shogun now and keep saving up and flip it later on and hopefully not lose too much?

Thinking I should try out the Shogun first in case I like it so much that it kills the desire for a pelagos all together, but I kind of doubt that will happen. There are a few things I like more about the Shogun.... Drilled lugs to make it easy for strap changes, I hear it's a better strap monster than the Pelagos too.

Pelagos has it's obvious advantages ... Fit/finish, movement quality/accuracy, ceramic bezel, adjustable clasp. Unsure which titanium holds up better to wear. I assume Tudor uses a higher quality/grade of titanium but the Shogun has the diashield coating.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by dnslater » Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:02 pm

I owned a Shogun shortly before getting a Pelagos. Great watch for the price but certainly outclassed by the Tudor. The Tudor basically gives you Rolex quality at a lower price point and is one of the ultimate tool divewatches. Bezel action is tremendous with a stop at 12. Great adjustable bracelet. Fantastic dial and lumed ceramic matte bezel. Etc...

Shogun is a great sub $1k Watch. Bracelet is a huge weak point but it looks great on NATO’s it straps. Finish is good. Has diashield so it is more resistant to scratches.

If the Tudor is what you want, the Shogun won’t fill the void, but it will be a fun stop along the way. If you buy used you won’t lose much on the sale.
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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by HapaHapa » Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:08 pm

Shogun is great, especially at its price point. I never warmed up to the bezel insert, but that's just my preference.
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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Ruggs » Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:09 pm

dnslater wrote:I owned a Shogun shortly before getting a Pelagos. Great watch for the price but certainly outclassed by the Tudor. The Tudor basically gives you Rolex quality at a lower price point and is one of the ultimate tool divewatches. Bezel action is tremendous with a stop at 12. Great adjustable bracelet. Fantastic dial and lumped bezel. Etc...

Shogun is a great sub $1k Watch. Bracelet is a huge weak point but it looks great on NATO’s it straps. Finish is good. Has diashield so it is more resistant to scratches.

If the Tudor is what you want, the Shogun won’t fill the void, but it will be a fun stop along the way. If you buy used you won’t lose much on the sale.
Agree w all this. One thing I would add is that the shogun wears a bit thinner/lighter than the Pelagos. I think the Pelagos has a steel caseback which accounts for the weight, and the case has slabby-er sides.


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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by 59yukon01 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:27 pm

Love the Shogun but the 6r15 movement sucks!

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by nvrp813 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:36 pm

How about the Shogun and a Pelagos LHD. I believe both could coexist in the same rotation, and the LHD is just so cool.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Panerai7 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:55 pm

Pelagos is the only titanium, full-lumed bezel diver Rolex makes. That's it, compare.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by tyd450 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:58 pm

59yukon01 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:27 pm
Love the Shogun but the 6r15 movement sucks!
Explain yoself

Is it too inconsistent or is it consistently shitty?

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by tyd450 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:01 pm

dnslater wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:02 pm
I owned a Shogun shortly before getting a Pelagos. Great watch for the price but certainly outclassed by the Tudor. The Tudor basically gives you Rolex quality at a lower price point and is one of the ultimate tool divewatches. Bezel action is tremendous with a stop at 12. Great adjustable bracelet. Fantastic dial and lumped bezel. Etc...

Shogun is a great sub $1k Watch. Bracelet is a huge weak point but it looks great on NATO’s it straps. Finish is good. Has diashield so it is more resistant to scratches.

If the Tudor is what you want, the Shogun won’t fill the void, but it will be a fun stop along the way. If you buy used you won’t lose much on the sale.
If I am spending a grand I don't think a shitty bracelet is acceptable. I hear you can put the MM clasp on it but it looks a little off?

Is it more resistant to scratches than the pelagos?

I think I may just skip the Shogun and go for it

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by 59yukon01 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:08 pm

tyd450 wrote:
59yukon01 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:27 pm
Love the Shogun but the 6r15 movement sucks!
Explain yoself

Is it too inconsistent or is it consistently shitty?
I've had one that is extremely accurate, the other 5 were all over the place.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by tyd450 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:10 pm

nvrp813 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:36 pm
How about the Shogun and a Pelagos LHD. I believe both could coexist in the same rotation, and the LHD is just so cool.
That looks cool but my heart is set on the standard black version. Jury is still out on OG two liner or in house

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Torrid » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:20 pm

59yukon01 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:27 pm
Love the Shogun but the 6r15 movement sucks!
Roger that. I really dislike that movement. I don’t mind it in the $300 SARB and it’s a bit more consistent than previous ones I’ve owned, but not at that price.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by dnslater » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:40 pm

tyd450 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:01 pm
dnslater wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:02 pm
I owned a Shogun shortly before getting a Pelagos. Great watch for the price but certainly outclassed by the Tudor. The Tudor basically gives you Rolex quality at a lower price point and is one of the ultimate tool divewatches. Bezel action is tremendous with a stop at 12. Great adjustable bracelet. Fantastic dial and lumped bezel. Etc...

Shogun is a great sub $1k Watch. Bracelet is a huge weak point but it looks great on NATO’s it straps. Finish is good. Has diashield so it is more resistant to scratches.

If the Tudor is what you want, the Shogun won’t fill the void, but it will be a fun stop along the way. If you buy used you won’t lose much on the sale.
If I am spending a grand I don't think a shitty bracelet is acceptable. I hear you can put the MM clasp on it but it looks a little off?

Is it more resistant to scratches than the pelagos?

I think I may just skip the Shogun and go for it
6r15 is basically just a 7s26 with hacking and handwinding. It has a long power reserve which is nice, but timing can be all over the place with a lot of positional variation. It is bulletproof though due to its simplicity and low beat rate.

The diashield certainly makes it more scratch resistant. The Ti on the Pelagos scratches a little easier than stainless, but Titanium oxidizes quickly so they kind of fade into the dull titanium finish so they are ultimately less noticeable.

The Shogun genuinely looks like a Stainless Watch thanks to the diashield. Amazing how Seiko does this. Bracelet is comfy, but it is a faux oyster style with single links made to look like separate links that drove me crazy at this price point. Seiko has sinced upped their bracelet game in recent releases around this price. Great strap watch, but if you like bracelets get the SBDC051 which wears similar but has a great bracelet.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by mattcantwin » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:42 pm

Panerai7 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:55 pm
Pelagos is the only titanium, full-lumed bezel diver Rolex makes. That's it, compare.
Great lume, too.


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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Steelman » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:49 pm

I'm a Seiko fanboy but never warmed up to the Shogun.

Tudor all the way.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by dukerules » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:58 pm

Shogun is a cool watch. The Pelagos is one of the best watches. If you can stretch to get one, do it. I let mine go last year, and I really miss it.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Panerai7 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:45 pm

dukerules wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:58 pm
Shogun is a cool watch. The Pelagos is one of the best watches. If you can stretch to get one, do it. I let mine go last year, and I really miss it.
Me too, so much that I'm hunting down a BNIB left over of the 2 liner so I can keep it for good.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by hoppyjr » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:49 pm

I should have bought Jeff’s.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by tyd450 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:04 pm

Hypothetical question .Would any of you guys still pick the ETA over the in house if the in house had the same 2 lines of text on the dial instead of the novel?

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by dnslater » Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:20 pm

tyd450 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:04 pm
Hypothetical question .Would any of you guys still pick the ETA over the in house if the in house had the same 2 lines of text on the dial instead of the novel?
Height difference is .5mm and all in the caseback, so yes, the dial is the turnoff for most. The advantages of the in house are clear with double the power reserve and better than COSC accuracy.

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by deepcdvr » Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:45 pm

A bit of apples and oranges, IMO

I’ve had both a couple of times and although the Seiko is cool and all, the Pelagos is on a whole other level.
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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by Panerai7 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:54 pm

tyd450 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:04 pm
Hypothetical question .Would any of you guys still pick the ETA over the in house if the in house had the same 2 lines of text on the dial instead of the novel?
Then it would solely depend on price and availability. I would take either

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by MDF » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:16 pm

Never had a Shogun, it looks cool but my Pelagos 2-liner is definitely a keeper, I love it!
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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by tyd450 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:22 pm

Panerai7 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:54 pm
tyd450 wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:04 pm
Hypothetical question .Would any of you guys still pick the ETA over the in house if the in house had the same 2 lines of text on the dial instead of the novel?
Then it would solely depend on price and availability. I would take either
Same price, both brand new and in front of you for the taking...which one do you grab? :mrgreen:

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Re: Shogun vs Pelagos

Post by dinexus » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:24 pm

Owned both for a short while, though never understood why. Thought I'd get a Shogun to spare the Pelagos from hard wear, but I never really warmed up to it. The Pelagos is simply a fantastic watch with a lot of subtly excellent details, mine's been stupidly accurate for the 5 or so years I've owned and abused it, only drawback is the low power reserve (Seiko's 6R beats at a lower frequency so you'll get better reserve).

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