The Dive Watch Connection

ericf4 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:50 am

logan2z wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:37 am

JBZ wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:49 am

dukerules wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:41 am

Don't mess around. If you're going to do this, go big. 15202 or Nautilus. Don't waste your time or your money on the other stuff.

A lot of folks recommend the 15202 over 15400. I know the 15202 has the direct link to the original jumbo and the movement is beautiful to look at, but they're more expensive, don't have a quick set date, and don't have a seconds hand. I think I'd opt for the 15400 if I had the means.

The Nautilus on the other hand...

The 15202 is also 39mm in diameter and wafer thin at around 8mm. I considered it before buying the 15400 but, on the wrist, it wore small and felt more like I was wearing a bracelet than a watch. They're also boutique only (so no discounts if you're going the AD route) and more difficult to come by.

OK I think im off the VC train and now going all mental over the 15202 and 15400...thx Rahul.....That 39 mm looks dope and ill bet even though the idea of 39mm is off-putting to me, it would fit well on my wrist....Also love the movement, just a beauty to look at....that said, i need a seconds hand....I cant deal with the idea of an auto watch with no moving seconds to stare at. I wonder if the 15400 would wear ok on small wrist as the bracelet won't drop straight down at the lugs, rather it flares out a bit. DAMN i love these.......

The 15400 wears a bit small for it's size so I suspect you'll be ok, but obviously try one on first. The 15202 is boutique only and in short supply so finding one to try can be a challenge.

logan2z wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:59 am

ericf4 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:50 am

logan2z wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:37 am

JBZ wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:49 am

dukerules wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:41 am

Don't mess around. If you're going to do this, go big. 15202 or Nautilus. Don't waste your time or your money on the other stuff.

A lot of folks recommend the 15202 over 15400. I know the 15202 has the direct link to the original jumbo and the movement is beautiful to look at, but they're more expensive, don't have a quick set date, and don't have a seconds hand. I think I'd opt for the 15400 if I had the means.

The Nautilus on the other hand...

The 15202 is also 39mm in diameter and wafer thin at around 8mm. I considered it before buying the 15400 but, on the wrist, it wore small and felt more like I was wearing a bracelet than a watch. They're also boutique only (so no discounts if you're going the AD route) and more difficult to come by.

OK I think im off the VC train and now going all mental over the 15202 and 15400...thx Rahul.....That 39 mm looks dope and ill bet even though the idea of 39mm is off-putting to me, it would fit well on my wrist....Also love the movement, just a beauty to look at....that said, i need a seconds hand....I cant deal with the idea of an auto watch with no moving seconds to stare at. I wonder if the 15400 would wear ok on small wrist as the bracelet won't drop straight down at the lugs, rather it flares out a bit. DAMN i love these.......

The 15400 wears a bit small for it's size so I suspect you'll be ok, but obviously try one on first. The 15202 is boutique only and in short supply so finding one to try can be a challenge.

Yeah and the 15202 is now officially off my list as its like 2x the price.....Im looking to celebrate with a new watch, not get divorced....lol. Im seeing 15400 on recon anywhere from 12k to 17k. $12k is preferred

15400 wears a bit big IMO. Look at used 15300s as well.

ericf4 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:03 am

logan2z wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:59 am

ericf4 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:50 am

logan2z wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:37 am

JBZ wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:49 am

dukerules wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:41 am

Don't mess around. If you're going to do this, go big. 15202 or Nautilus. Don't waste your time or your money on the other stuff.

A lot of folks recommend the 15202 over 15400. I know the 15202 has the direct link to the original jumbo and the movement is beautiful to look at, but they're more expensive, don't have a quick set date, and don't have a seconds hand. I think I'd opt for the 15400 if I had the means.

The Nautilus on the other hand...

The 15202 is also 39mm in diameter and wafer thin at around 8mm. I considered it before buying the 15400 but, on the wrist, it wore small and felt more like I was wearing a bracelet than a watch. They're also boutique only (so no discounts if you're going the AD route) and more difficult to come by.

OK I think im off the VC train and now going all mental over the 15202 and 15400...thx Rahul.....That 39 mm looks dope and ill bet even though the idea of 39mm is off-putting to me, it would fit well on my wrist....Also love the movement, just a beauty to look at....that said, i need a seconds hand....I cant deal with the idea of an auto watch with no moving seconds to stare at. I wonder if the 15400 would wear ok on small wrist as the bracelet won't drop straight down at the lugs, rather it flares out a bit. DAMN i love these.......

The 15400 wears a bit small for it's size so I suspect you'll be ok, but obviously try one on first. The 15202 is boutique only and in short supply so finding one to try can be a challenge.

Yeah and the 15202 is now officially off my list as its like 2x the price.....Im looking to celebrate with a new watch, not get divorced....lol. Im seeing 15400 on recon anywhere from 12k to 17k. $12k is preferred

Not sure where you're seeing them for $12K but the cheapest I see on recon is just under $17K. At that price I'd just go new.

The one other issue I've read about the APRO in general is that the bracelet, while beautiful, sometimes doesn't fit snug to the wrist depending on wrist size/shape. No matter the model, I would definitely try one on before I bought.

logan2z wrote:

ericf4 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:03 am

logan2z wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:59 am

ericf4 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:50 am

logan2z wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:37 am

JBZ wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:49 am

dukerules wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:41 am

Don't mess around. If you're going to do this, go big. 15202 or Nautilus. Don't waste your time or your money on the other stuff.

A lot of folks recommend the 15202 over 15400. I know the 15202 has the direct link to the original jumbo and the movement is beautiful to look at, but they're more expensive, don't have a quick set date, and don't have a seconds hand. I think I'd opt for the 15400 if I had the means.

The Nautilus on the other hand...

The 15202 is also 39mm in diameter and wafer thin at around 8mm. I considered it before buying the 15400 but, on the wrist, it wore small and felt more like I was wearing a bracelet than a watch. They're also boutique only (so no discounts if you're going the AD route) and more difficult to come by.

OK I think im off the VC train and now going all mental over the 15202 and 15400...thx Rahul.....That 39 mm looks dope and ill bet even though the idea of 39mm is off-putting to me, it would fit well on my wrist....Also love the movement, just a beauty to look at....that said, i need a seconds hand....I cant deal with the idea of an auto watch with no moving seconds to stare at. I wonder if the 15400 would wear ok on small wrist as the bracelet won't drop straight down at the lugs, rather it flares out a bit. DAMN i love these.......

The 15400 wears a bit small for it's size so I suspect you'll be ok, but obviously try one on first. The 15202 is boutique only and in short supply so finding one to try can be a challenge.

Yeah and the 15202 is now officially off my list as its like 2x the price.....Im looking to celebrate with a new watch, not get divorced....lol. Im seeing 15400 on recon anywhere from 12k to 17k. $12k is preferred

Not sure where you're seeing them for $12K but the cheapest I see on recon is just under $17K. At that price I'd just go new.

Saw one that said sold. Think it was on chronocentric. Could have been BS

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dukerules wrote:15400 wears a bit big IMO. Look at used 15300s as well.

I’d agree it wears larger than 41. I have a 7.5” wrist and it works for me, but wouldn’t want it to be much larger. There’s a 15300 that’s a little smaller I believe.

Given your preferences on watches, Eric, I think you'd like the wrist presence on the 15400.

Jeff's right about the sizing, but they do have half-links available for the bracelet.

So as someone who has had all three of the APs I will pull some compare wrist pics, but for what it is worth I loved the 15300 much than the 15202 and 15400.

matt.wu wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:00 am

Given your preferences on watches, Eric, I think you'd like the wrist presence on the 15400.

Jeff's right about the sizing, but they do have half-links available for the bracelet.

god knows what a half link for an AP bracelet costs.....im sure its comedic

So here are wrist shot comparisons of the 15202, 15300 and 15400 from when I owned each. Started with the 15400 and really liked it, but it was a bit too big and heavy for me in the context of an elegant watch and getting it around the same time as the SubC and glidelock, the SubC would win for comfort.

I then went to the 15202 because I wanted the blue, was born the same year, etc…, but it never felt right on the wrist, the lack of second hand bothered me and I had some issues with the links and a service that soured me on it a bit (at the time it was the most expensive watch I had ever purchased). A year or so later I got a 15300, which I owned the longest and liked the most from a size and feel standpoint. The two main issues I had with all of them and led me to sell were the lack of quick adjustment in the bracelet and way the clasp buttons would jab into the bottom of my wrist. Ultimately, for that AP look, I prefer the original AP Diver and then, for me at least, none of the three really compare to the PP Nautilus for this type of watch on bracelet.

15202




15300




15400

And the half link was about $200 or more. Had one for all three of these -- and needed it for a better fit.

Thx for the details and shots!

Beautiful watches - the AP bracelet digging into my wrist thing is an annoyance I hope to one day experience.

just learning that getting an AP is near impossible from AD's according to Ross at ECJ Luxe. It seems he is like a year or more out on preorders for most models as AP has severely cut distribution by any retailers other than their owned stores. That is crazy. Being an AD it seems isn't that great at the moment. Nor being a customer wanting to buy from an AD> I may troll the forums for preowned.

the AP Jumbo 15202 and PP Nautilus 5711 (not to mention the 5712 as well) have gone nuts in prices on the grey market. Waiting lists for both at the boutiques are just as insane as the prices. I love the steel Patek sport watches, but only for investment and eventual resale. They dont do anything for me aesthetics wise at all, but they do wear WAY more comfortable on more wrist sizes. The AP 15202 is a lot less forgiving on comfort and fit since the lug design is at a fixed angle.

A friend of mine was in Seoul last year on vacation, he went to the AP boutique and asked about the waiting list just for fun and they said it was estimated to be 10 yrs...
At the AP Rodeo Drive boutique, I heard it's about 3 years if you're an existing customer. No idea what it is if you're brand new to the boutique.

Knome wrote:the AP Jumbo 15202 and PP Nautilus 5711 (not to mention the 5712 as well) have gone nuts in prices on the grey market. Waiting lists for both at the boutiques are just as insane as the prices. I love the steel Patek sport watches, but only for investment and eventual resale. They dont do anything for me aesthetics wise at all, but they do wear WAY more comfortable on more wrist sizes. The AP 15202 is a lot less forgiving on comfort and fit since the lug design is at a fixed angle.

A friend of mine was in Seoul last year on vacation, he went to the AP boutique and asked about the waiting list just for fun and they said it was estimated to be 10 yrs...
At the AP Rodeo Drive boutique, I heard it's about 3 years if you're an existing customer. No idea what it is if you're brand new to the boutique.

I would never wait for shit that long.

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ericf4 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:21 pm

Knome wrote:the AP Jumbo 15202 and PP Nautilus 5711 (not to mention the 5712 as well) have gone nuts in prices on the grey market. Waiting lists for both at the boutiques are just as insane as the prices. I love the steel Patek sport watches, but only for investment and eventual resale. They dont do anything for me aesthetics wise at all, but they do wear WAY more comfortable on more wrist sizes. The AP 15202 is a lot less forgiving on comfort and fit since the lug design is at a fixed angle.

A friend of mine was in Seoul last year on vacation, he went to the AP boutique and asked about the waiting list just for fun and they said it was estimated to be 10 yrs...
At the AP Rodeo Drive boutique, I heard it's about 3 years if you're an existing customer. No idea what it is if you're brand new to the boutique.

I would never wait for shit that long.

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Still faster than MKII.

What the fuck is wrong with these companies? Like AP and Rolex? There’s limiting distribution to increase demand, and then there’s just making it so impossible to actually buy one of their watches people will start just looking elsewhere.

Or do they think This is really going to solve the “grey problem”? Because all it’s going to do is make it worse, since greys will be the only places you can actually find one of these watches.

And 10 years? In 10 years, the Swiss watch industry will not look anything like it does today. In 10 years, “new” customers (those just old enough to finally have the means) will not give a fuck about Rolex or Patek or AP.

But what do I know? I’ll just buy stuff if I can find it used, or it happens to come to a dealer. I’m not paying bigly markup to a forum dealer.

Maybe they're copying Yao's business model.

outtatime wrote:What the fuck is wrong with these companies? Like AP and Rolex? There’s limiting distribution to increase demand, and then there’s just making it so impossible to actually buy one of their watches people will start just looking elsewhere.

Or do they think This is really going to solve the “grey problem”? Because all it’s going to do is make it worse, since greys will be the only places you can actually find one of these watches.

And 10 years? In 10 years, the Swiss watch industry will not look anything like it does today. In 10 years, “new” customers (those just old enough to finally have the means) will not give a fuck about Rolex or Patek or AP.

But what do I know? I’ll just buy stuff if I can find it used, or it happens to come to a dealer. I’m not paying bigly markup to a forum dealer.

No shit. I have money today and want a watch today. Fuck 10 years or even a year from now.

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ericf4 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:28 pm

outtatime wrote:What the fuck is wrong with these companies? Like AP and Rolex? There’s limiting distribution to increase demand, and then there’s just making it so impossible to actually buy one of their watches people will start just looking elsewhere.

Or do they think This is really going to solve the “grey problem”? Because all it’s going to do is make it worse, since greys will be the only places you can actually find one of these watches.

And 10 years? In 10 years, the Swiss watch industry will not look anything like it does today. In 10 years, “new” customers (those just old enough to finally have the means) will not give a fuck about Rolex or Patek or AP.

But what do I know? I’ll just buy stuff if I can find it used, or it happens to come to a dealer. I’m not paying bigly markup to a forum dealer.

No shit. I have money today and want a watch today. Fuck 10 years or even a year from now.

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Call some ADs other than ECJ Luxe. You may actually find a 15400 in stock somewhere.

The VC dial looks nice but I prefer the APP.

I had a RO 15300 with a blue dial and loved it. The half link was key.
Uncle Sam got it, though 🤨.

outtatime wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:46 pm

What the fuck is wrong with these companies? Like AP and Rolex? There’s limiting distribution to increase demand, and then there’s just making it so impossible to actually buy one of their watches people will start just looking elsewhere.

Or do they think This is really going to solve the “grey problem”? Because all it’s going to do is make it worse, since greys will be the only places you can actually find one of these watches.

And 10 years? In 10 years, the Swiss watch industry will not look anything like it does today. In 10 years, “new” customers (those just old enough to finally have the means) will not give a fuck about Rolex or Patek or AP.

But what do I know? I’ll just buy stuff if I can find it used, or it happens to come to a dealer. I’m not paying bigly markup to a forum dealer.

Only a rare few companies could cut off distribution like Rolex is doing right now and get away with it. In the short term to medium term, people still want to buy watches from them, so Rolex can afford it (the old "Rolex sells every watch it makes" chestnut). And it won't go on forever. There's all sorts of speculation on TRF as to why Rolex is doing it, a lot centered around trying to control the grey market, but no one really knows for sure.

I imagine it's the same for AP and Patek.

You don't see really good brands like Omega, Breitling, or Tudor doing this. As good as they are, it would seriously damage them.

It reminds me of a quote I saw back when Radiohead was one of the first major bands to simply release a new album to the general public over the internet instead of going through what were at the time regular channels for album distribution - "How do you successfully release an album over the internet like Radiohead? First, be Radiohead."