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Depends. Is it the heroine whore who’s going to drop drawers, take a dump and fling poo at me? If not, hell no. If so, what are my options to duck and cover?
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FUCK NO who was the slim ball post his name here so members here will not sell him any thing so they don't have to deal with a idiot he needs to be shamed.
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What is the reason why he feels you should be responsible at this point?
Was the watch performing poorly after he received it? And how long ago was the sale?
Was the watch performing poorly after he received it? And how long ago was the sale?
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As a rule, no.
But I did sell a cool Seiko to a guy overseas once, which had just come back to me from warranty repairs with Seiko Japan. He started having movement issues, and had a local guy open it/check it, etc. I told him send it back to Japan, and it turned out that Seiko Japan's extension of the warranty didn't cover the movement service, so he paid for the service (and I volunteered to chip in half b/c it seemed right and I didn't wanna own it again ).
But I did sell a cool Seiko to a guy overseas once, which had just come back to me from warranty repairs with Seiko Japan. He started having movement issues, and had a local guy open it/check it, etc. I told him send it back to Japan, and it turned out that Seiko Japan's extension of the warranty didn't cover the movement service, so he paid for the service (and I volunteered to chip in half b/c it seemed right and I didn't wanna own it again ).
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Let me change that to:Grahamcombat wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 4:53 amI know where I stand on this, but I would like to hear from you guys:
If a person that you sold a working watch to takes the watch and has it disassembled and then, upon reassembly, the watch no longer works, do you owe them a full refund?
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That's what my wife (then girlfriend) told me too.
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same here, that is why I used it
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As posted, nope. Take the sale out of it: someguy, somewhere, takes a watch that runs to sumdood who takes it apart; now it doesn’t run. Sounds like it’s on the guy doing the tinkering to me.
ETA: you want the problem "disappeared" for you? I mean, you give and you give; might be nice for you to get something back for once...
ETA: you want the problem "disappeared" for you? I mean, you give and you give; might be nice for you to get something back for once...
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That’s the thing about Tupperware, Terry, and the Walrus: all three go for a tight seal.
(Paul, you want in on this too?)
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^^^ It was nice knowing you, Michael!
...and to answer the original question, abso-friggin'-lutely not.
Even if I were to just borrow something from you and, in the course of proper use, broke it, I would still pay you full replacement value. To buy it, then break it, then demand a refund is just beyond the pale.
Incidents like this just make me wonder how people were raised. In what bizzarro world do they think it is OK to attempt to take advantage of someone like this? I don't even like hearing about it with major retail chains such as LL Bean (who had to change their return policy due to abuse). Doing this to an individual is just obnoxious.
Personally, I'd like to know who had the balls to ask this of you so I never accidentally sell them a watch.
...and to answer the original question, abso-friggin'-lutely not.
Even if I were to just borrow something from you and, in the course of proper use, broke it, I would still pay you full replacement value. To buy it, then break it, then demand a refund is just beyond the pale.
Incidents like this just make me wonder how people were raised. In what bizzarro world do they think it is OK to attempt to take advantage of someone like this? I don't even like hearing about it with major retail chains such as LL Bean (who had to change their return policy due to abuse). Doing this to an individual is just obnoxious.
Personally, I'd like to know who had the balls to ask this of you so I never accidentally sell them a watch.
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First answer wound be no.
It’s not always so simple. I bought a watch that was serviced. The crown popped off and my watchmaker said a couple other things needed to be done.
Of course the seller as not too happy but we settled on him paying half the cost for repair.
It’s not always so simple. I bought a watch that was serviced. The crown popped off and my watchmaker said a couple other things needed to be done.
Of course the seller as not too happy but we settled on him paying half the cost for repair.
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I offer full refunds for about 3 days after the sale. After that, regardless of what you did or did not do with it, you own it.
Same goes for those who try to squeeze a partial refund out after the fact. Unless it was my mistake that I want to make right, you can either send the watch back wholly (and pay for shipping) or GFY.
Same goes for those who try to squeeze a partial refund out after the fact. Unless it was my mistake that I want to make right, you can either send the watch back wholly (and pay for shipping) or GFY.
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M@: Would you give a refund to someone who took the watch somewhere where it was opened, messed with, and now no longer works?matt.wu wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 1:40 pmI offer full refunds for about 3 days after the sale. After that, regardless of what you did or did not do with it, you own it.
Same goes for those who try to squeeze a partial refund out after the fact. Unless it was my mistake that I want to make right, you can either send the watch back wholly (and pay for shipping) or GFY.
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But why did he have it looked at in the first place? Seems like there is more to the story
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Nope! Now if it’s a land cruiser I sell you we could talk.
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Nope. No way. Re-reading, I guess I wasn't very clear in what I wrote. 3-day refund even if it's buyer's remorse, but the watch has to be unfuckedwith. As soon as you start messing with the watch, all bets are off.jeckyll wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 2:21 pmM@: Would you give a refund to someone who took the watch somewhere where it was opened, messed with, and now no longer works?matt.wu wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 1:40 pmI offer full refunds for about 3 days after the sale. After that, regardless of what you did or did not do with it, you own it.
Same goes for those who try to squeeze a partial refund out after the fact. Unless it was my mistake that I want to make right, you can either send the watch back wholly (and pay for shipping) or GFY.
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Graham clearly states it was a working watch. So the answer is no once he admitted to taking it apart.
Who took it apart, exactly? If it was a maker then the buyer should be asking him. You're absolved.
Who took it apart, exactly? If it was a maker then the buyer should be asking him. You're absolved.
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Why did he need it apart then?sierra11b wrote:Graham clearly states it was a working watch. So the answer is no once he admitted to taking it apart.
Who took it apart, exactly? If it was a maker then the buyer should be asking him. You're absolved.
I’m simply asking because it could have been something as simple as- a pube on the dial from An MKII, maybe it was Hoppys old dusty Divex, or maybe it was the old Seiko I sold on eBay 5 years ago and the crown fell off when the buyer tried to operate it.
Not saying Graham is lying or sabotage it- but sometimes shit happens to old watches and even new.
If it was me and it had a legit issue, I would say I would pay for just the issue- if the watch maker screwed it up it’s on him. But if he went to re install a crown or get Yao’s Pube off the dial and discovered mult issues- I would prob offer a refund.
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That makes a lot more sense nowmatt.wu wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 4:03 pmNope. No way. Re-reading, I guess I wasn't very clear in what I wrote. 3-day refund even if it's buyer's remorse, but the watch has to be unfuckedwith. As soon as you start messing with the watch, all bets are off.jeckyll wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 2:21 pmM@: Would you give a refund to someone who took the watch somewhere where it was opened, messed with, and now no longer works?matt.wu wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 1:40 pmI offer full refunds for about 3 days after the sale. After that, regardless of what you did or did not do with it, you own it.
Same goes for those who try to squeeze a partial refund out after the fact. Unless it was my mistake that I want to make right, you can either send the watch back wholly (and pay for shipping) or GFY.
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