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are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by dinexus » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:41 pm

From a technical standpoint, the new Planet Oceans are a pretty unbeatable value, and on the leading edge when it comes to innovation, but holy christ – who is tasked with designing these things? The new 39.5mm variants are a step in the right direction (hell, it's basically the same size as a 40mm Deep Sea), and look great online, but on the wrist, the proportions are so damned out of whack, the 43.5mm is really the only version worth considering. However, the latter is actually thicker than the 8500 variant that it replaces – which is mind-boggling, considering the thickness of the outgoing version was its biggest knock.

The modern PO is a kick-ass watch, and I will absolutely get one to replace my 2500, but FFS, is it really so hard to get these dimensions right? Or have I just gotten so used to/comfortable with 42/43mm that everything smaller looks weird?

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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:10 pm

The 39.5mm version has 19mm lug spacing too. If you're going to ruin a design, just go with the more convincing width.

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Post by Chocodove » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:14 pm

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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by CGSshorty » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:14 pm

I see nothing wrong with the 8500.

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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by dinexus » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:14 pm

JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:10 pm
The 39.5mm version has 19mm lug spacing too. If you're going to ruin a design, just go with the more convincing width.
I think that's part of the problem – the overall silhouette and dial elements are all super chunky, but then it has these whisper-skinny lugs. Seems like even 40mm and 20mm lugs woulda saved it.

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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by hoppyjr » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:17 pm

I'm generally a Planet Ocean fan, but I fail to see the need for the crazy thick & heavy cases. They have the ability to do much better.

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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by Chocodove » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:18 pm

CGSshorty wrote:I see nothing wrong with the 8500.

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I've thought long and hard about getting a 42mm 8500. The new ones though...
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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by dinexus » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:25 pm

CGSshorty wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:14 pm
I see nothing wrong with the 8500.
Definitely ain't nothing wrong with the 8500. I sorta wanted a METAS movement, and the wave-edged caseback on the newer version (matches my wedding ring), plus I might actually prefer the new 12-6-9 numerals, but hell – watchrecon keeps tempting with the 8500. Tons of value there.

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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:29 pm

dinexus wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:25 pm
CGSshorty wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:14 pm
I see nothing wrong with the 8500.
Definitely ain't nothing wrong with the 8500. I sorta wanted a METAS movement, and the wave-edged caseback on the newer version (matches my wedding ring), plus I might actually prefer the new 12-6-9 numerals, but hell – watchrecon keeps tempting with the 8500. Tons of value there.
The blue 8500 version is hot hot hot. I was so bummed when I tried it on and realized it was way too big for me. The PO2500 is too big too.

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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by dnslater » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:47 pm

I agree totally. When I heard about the new 39mm I was excited until I read about how tall it is. The original 2500 PO was the perfect size. Why can't they give us a modern PO that matches those dimensions. It seems as though their newer "in house" movements are much thicker than the older modified movements. PO, Speedmaster, etc.., all have thickened up.

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Post by dinexus » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:55 pm

Shit, maybe I just need to try 'em both on, first the 42mm 8500 and then the 43.5mm 8900 right after.

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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by BBK357 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:39 pm

The new PO design is a GD joke.

It's too bad, the 2500 is a classic, 8500 is an improvement in the movement but a little too thick for me... these versions? Shit.


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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by Panerai7 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:45 pm

I've always admired 9300 POC but I can't do 46 by 19.6mm

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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by Chocodove » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:47 pm

^^^ those specs are completely ridiculous.
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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by MDF » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:18 pm

I agree, when I first got my 8500 I was totally happy with it but after a while it just felt a little too big and uncomfortable. I hope they change next year but I'm sure the price will be an issue as they keep going up.
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Post by cdnwatchguy » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:43 pm

They all pretty much look the same to me. unpleasant.
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are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by dinexus » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:27 pm

MDF wrote:I agree, when I first got my 8500 I was totally happy with it but after a while it just felt a little too big and uncomfortable. I hope they change next year but I'm sure the price will be an issue as they keep going up.
Naw, they just redid the line in 2016, no way they're going to overhaul it again so soon. We're going to get GoodPlanets, more GMT colors, and more god-awful LEs around the Olympics, all of which under the same size specs we can't help not bitching about.


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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by poppydog » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:17 pm

Omega lost it in terms of design right after the 2500. And wtf is with all those "dark side" this and "deep" shit that? I like Omega, but their designs are gradually pushing me away. Maybe I'm just getting old, though :shrug:
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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by dinexus » Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:49 am

Panerai7 wrote:I've always admired 9300 POC but I can't do 46 by 19.6mm
Clown watch. Further proof that nobody at Omega is paying any goddamned attention.


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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by Joeprez » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:17 am

We are still waiting for the "BallsDeep" PO LE.

Honestly, I would love to have one of the new master coaxial movements in my 2500 case. I was looking g forward to the 39.5mm, but everyone says the dimensions sucks. Would still love a blue PO, need to try a 8500 on bracelet again.


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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by Nellipj » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:09 am

I love the refresh of the PO, especially in the blue dial. The 43.5 case is perfect if you don't mind that it isn't 12mm thick. It wears great.

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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by jimyritz » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:44 am

Really like that blue PO...

Hard to figure out what Omega is doing with their case sizes. Seems as if they have settled on 39.5 and 43.5. I think the 43.5 wears better on smaller wrist as the proportions look better. You then go look at some their Speedmasters and the cases are 39.7 and 44.25 ( except Moon watch 42). even the 44.25 has a short L to L.



p.s looks like the Seamaster will be redesigned in 2018...

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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by dinexus » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:28 am

Nellipj wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:09 am
I love the refresh of the PO, especially in the blue dial. The 43.5 case is perfect if you don't mind that it isn't 12mm thick. It wears great.
Shit, that's the blue dial? Love it. How about a wrist shot? The general consensus seems to be that the 43.5mm wears better than its specs suggest, and my experience in the AD trying both on back-to-back seems to reflect that. It's shaped a lot like the DOXA 1500 series of cases – short, thick, and heavy, but with better overall ergonomics.

And since the Seamaster was introduced in 1948, next year would be its 70th anniversary, so I'm guessing we'll either get a totally new SMP, or something like that Italy-only Seamaster will return to the collection (a more dressy SM, akin to the original).

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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by JP Chestnut » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:44 am

dinexus wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:28 am
Nellipj wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:09 am
I love the refresh of the PO, especially in the blue dial. The 43.5 case is perfect if you don't mind that it isn't 12mm thick. It wears great.
Shit, that's the blue dial? Love it. How about a wrist shot? The general consensus seems to be that the 43.5mm wears better than its specs suggest, and my experience in the AD trying both on back-to-back seems to reflect that. It's shaped a lot like the DOXA 1500 series of cases – short, thick, and heavy, but with better overall ergonomics.

And since the Seamaster was introduced in 1948, next year would be its 70th anniversary, so I'm guessing we'll either get a totally new SMP, or something like that Italy-only Seamaster will return to the collection (a more dressy SM, akin to the original).
If Omega wasn't incompetent they would release an updated 2254.

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Re: are Omega's PO designers high?

Post by Panerai7 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:47 am

I've tried on the 43.5 and it's rather tall otherwise perfect diameter for me.

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