IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by River Rat » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:09 am

Had to look up Sellita movements and there a lower quality movement for the price your paying you deserve a better movement.
http://www.ablogtowatch.com/sellita-mov ... itzerland/
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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:12 am

River Rat wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:09 am
This not the movement but tells you were Sellita movements come from a little bit of china in a IWC a dam cheap Chinese movement in a 4000 dollar IWC WTF
http://www.ablogtowatch.com/sellita-mov ... itzerland/
Very few modern "Swiss" watches don't have Chinese content. The haute brands, nomos, and Rolex are some of the few.

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by River Rat » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:14 am

Also Invicta uses Sellita movement dam IWC the next Invicta just read that in the article I posted.

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by logan2z » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:16 am

River Rat wrote:Also Invicta uses Sellita movement dam IWC the next Invicta
:scratch:

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by River Rat » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:20 am

logan2z wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:16 am
River Rat wrote:Also Invicta uses Sellita movement dam IWC the next Invicta
:scratch:
From article I posted we all know invicta uses cheap movements don't we
(We can assume that Sellita has such technology because large brands such as Invicta have been buying from them at large for years)

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by toxicavenger » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:01 am

River Rat wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:14 am
Also Invicta uses Sellita movement dam IWC the next Invicta just read that in the article I posted.
Sorry Mike just because another company uses a movement doesn't mean it is cheap. The SW300 cost a little more than the Soprod A10, which isn't cheap. I had the SW300 in my Aegir and it ran perfectly.

Invicta also uses the SW500 chrono which is also used by other companies.

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Post by toxicavenger » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:02 am

River Rat wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:20 am
logan2z wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:16 am
River Rat wrote:Also Invicta uses Sellita movement dam IWC the next Invicta
:scratch:
From article I posted we all know invicta uses cheap movements don't we
(We can assume that Sellita has such technology because large brands such as Invicta have been buying from them at large for years)
Cheap watch doesn't mean cheap movements. And they probably buy in a mass bulk so they get the movements even cheaper than most companies.

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by gwells » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:17 am

nothing at all wrong with sellita.

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:20 am

It's a cost cutting move which totally undermines the "luxury" aspect of a luxury watch.

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by Panerai7 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:44 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:20 am
It's a cost cutting move which totally undermines the "luxury" aspect of a luxury watch.
I don't get it, Richemont owns ALS, JLC, Panerai, Cartier among others. Why do they have to go to a second tier SW, not even ETA?
It's like VW group is gonna start buying engines for their next 911 from Kia

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:48 am

Panerai7 wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:44 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:20 am
It's a cost cutting move which totally undermines the "luxury" aspect of a luxury watch.
I don't get it, Richemont owns ALS, JLC, Panerai, Cartier among others. Why do they have to go to a second tier SW, not even ETA?
It's like VW group is gonna start buying engines for their next 911 from Kia
I think it says a lot about richemont that among all those brands, they haven't bothered to produce an "in group" movement for use across their entry level portfolio. The mark 12 used a (sorta crappy) jlc movement. Looks homage is cool, but this could have been a special one had they homaged THAT aspect of the old watches.

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by Panerai7 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:51 am

Yeah, imagine this one had a JLC movement...

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Post by logan2z » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:19 am

Panerai7 wrote:Yeah, imagine this one had a JLC movement...
Yeah, imagine the $10K price tag...

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:27 am

logan2z wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:19 am
Panerai7 wrote:Yeah, imagine this one had a JLC movement...
Yeah, imagine the $10K price tag...
Imagine if they didn't shove it up their buyer's backsides - sideways. Rolex sells tons of in house models, with bracelets, for way less than $10,000 and they're not exactly a value brand.

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Post by logan2z » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:32 am

Panerai7 wrote:
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:20 am
It's a cost cutting move which totally undermines the "luxury" aspect of a luxury watch.
I don't get it, Richemont owns ALS, JLC, Panerai, Cartier among others. Why do they have to go to a second tier SW, not even ETA?
It's like VW group is gonna start buying engines for their next 911 from Kia
Art, can you elaborate on what is 'second tier' about Sellita? How is the SW-300 technically inferior to the ETA2892?

FWIW, Sellita movements are used in many DWC forum favorites, like the Sinn U1.

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by Panerai7 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:37 am

First tier are in house movements is what I meant.

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Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:38 am

logan2z wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:32 am
Panerai7 wrote:
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:20 am
It's a cost cutting move which totally undermines the "luxury" aspect of a luxury watch.
I don't get it, Richemont owns ALS, JLC, Panerai, Cartier among others. Why do they have to go to a second tier SW, not even ETA?
It's like VW group is gonna start buying engines for their next 911 from Kia
Art, can you elaborate on what is 'second tier' about Sellita? How is the SW-300 technically inferior to the ETA2892?

FWIW, Sellita movements are used in many DWC forum favorites, like the Sinn U1.
Do you remember the feeding frenzy on here when Sinn announced they were going to stop using ETA?

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Post by logan2z » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:38 am

Panerai7 wrote:First tier are in house movements is what I meant.
Got it, I thought you were saying it was second tier relative to ETA.

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Post by logan2z » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:40 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
logan2z wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:19 am
Panerai7 wrote:Yeah, imagine this one had a JLC movement...
Yeah, imagine the $10K price tag...
Imagine if they didn't shove it up their buyer's backsides - sideways. Rolex sells tons of in house models, with bracelets, for way less than $10,000 and they're not exactly a value brand.
Not saying it's justifiable, just being realistic.

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by logan2z » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:40 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
logan2z wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:32 am
Panerai7 wrote:
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:20 am
It's a cost cutting move which totally undermines the "luxury" aspect of a luxury watch.
I don't get it, Richemont owns ALS, JLC, Panerai, Cartier among others. Why do they have to go to a second tier SW, not even ETA?
It's like VW group is gonna start buying engines for their next 911 from Kia
Art, can you elaborate on what is 'second tier' about Sellita? How is the SW-300 technically inferior to the ETA2892?

FWIW, Sellita movements are used in many DWC forum favorites, like the Sinn U1.
Do you remember the feeding frenzy on here when Sinn announced they were going to stop using ETA?
Yes. Did it stop anyone from buying them?

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:52 am

logan2z wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:40 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
logan2z wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:32 am
Panerai7 wrote:
JP Chestnut wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:20 am
It's a cost cutting move which totally undermines the "luxury" aspect of a luxury watch.
I don't get it, Richemont owns ALS, JLC, Panerai, Cartier among others. Why do they have to go to a second tier SW, not even ETA?
It's like VW group is gonna start buying engines for their next 911 from Kia
Art, can you elaborate on what is 'second tier' about Sellita? How is the SW-300 technically inferior to the ETA2892?

FWIW, Sellita movements are used in many DWC forum favorites, like the Sinn U1.
Do you remember the feeding frenzy on here when Sinn announced they were going to stop using ETA?
Yes. Did it stop anyone from buying them?
Are Sinn and IWC comparable? Nobody, to my knowledge, has ever bought a decent watch because it has a Sellita movement. Plenty of people, however, bought a U1 because it didn't. It's hard to argue that ETA isn't a more desirable movement. Technically better? Who knows. Longer history of solid performance in use? Absolutely.

Think they will buy the special sand blasted version of the Sellita? It would go nicely with that forum chronograph with the unfinished (sorry "undecorated") movement.

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by Bradystraps » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:02 pm

I am a fan of Sellita movements, especially the lower end automatic movements used in many of the sub $1,000 watches. But I would expect more from a company like IWC, given the price tag. The industry is really changing. Everyday. I guess it shouldn't surprise anyone but disappointment is warranted IMO.
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Post by toxicavenger » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:08 pm

I think Marcello C was one of the first micro brands to use the SW's. I owned some that were almost 10 years old with Sellita's in them and they ran excellent. I honestly have yet to have a problem with one of them. ETA is a different story though.

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Post by sierra11b » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:03 pm

Doesn't matter.

IWC will it make it buttery smooth. When I find read that my first xviii might have the sellita I was only a bit saddened because it wasn't the 30110... not because of quality but because it was the end of a long stretch of marks without it. Turns out it does have the 30110 but now I know that wouldnt have kept me from the silver version.

I wish they had a non-inhouse version of the big pilot so I could afford one.

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Re: IWC Tribute to Mark XI - It's Official

Post by t20569cald » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:28 am

toxicavenger wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:08 pm
I think Marcello C was one of the first micro brands to use the SW's. I owned some that were almost 10 years old with Sellita's in them and they ran excellent. I honestly have yet to have a problem with one of them. ETA is a different story though.
The SW-300-1 cost me over $300 USD each, closer to $350 from memory. That would come down if I ordered a 1000 of course, but still.
It is a very nice movement, as is the A10 which is about $30 cheaper.
It winds and runs very smoothly and I am happy to use them. If Invicta use them, then likely they buy heaps for a good price and save in the end, because they will not have warranty returns. Makes sense to me if that is a factor.
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