I know very little about Kobold's specific situation, but his cases seem to be a much more original design. Maybe this originality is contributing to his difficulties?toxicavenger wrote:Kobold has been having problems for a while with their cases. And his Dad owns an industrial machine shop for aviation parts.
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Good looking bearings, can I ask who you work for?justsellbrgs wrote:he buys his cases from China then..... no way around it ---- believe me, I deal with this every day.toxicavenger wrote:Kobold has been having problems for a while with their cases. And his Dad owns an industrial machine shop for aviation parts.
I send a print -- they say yes they can make it.
They make it -- some tolerances are off.
they say they will make again.
Fewer tolerances are off..... better but not correct.
3rd or 4th time they are right... and I send the product to an independent engineer in China for QC. And my engineer on staff does QC.
And we check first article.... and random check every shipment based on quantity.
stuff that looks like this --- bigger and smaller
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Doubt it if his CS is any indication of the type of QC his cases receive.Ryeguy wrote:I know very little about Kobold's specific situation, but his cases seem to be a much more original design. Maybe this originality is contributing to his difficulties?toxicavenger wrote:Kobold has been having problems for a while with their cases. And his Dad owns an industrial machine shop for aviation parts.
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It wasn't. I just didn't think your example was a particularly good one.marchone wrote:I think that point may have been lost on Andrew.
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I wrote "similarly", not exactly. You focused on IP, ignoring moral equivalency, which was my point. Each and every one of these arguments ends the same way. When IP issues are shown resolved the moral argument comes into play but conveniently ignores a plethora of other common examples. It's become a pet peeve for many hardcore watch fans. YMMV.
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I ignored it for two reasons:marchone wrote:I wrote "similarly", not exactly. You focused on IP, ignoring moral equivalency, which was my point.
1) I don't object to the Guinault on moral grounds.
2) I wasn't going to get sucked into a pointless discussion about Nazi Germany in a thread about a Rolex homage.
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Just wish they did this timepiece in a larger case with GMT option.
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My thought exactly.JDC222 wrote:I kinda like that OWC
Wouldn't it be ironic if a review of this watch led people to buy another brand.
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1) Then I assume you consider it to be an IP issue. Yet Rolex hasn't blocked it (it may still), and Mk II (among others) continues unabated.logan2z wrote: 1) I don't object to the Guinault on moral grounds.
2) I wasn't going to get sucked into a pointless discussion about Nazi Germany in a thread about a Rolex homage.
2) It's an issue to a lot of people. You choose to ignore it. As I do. I've owned two VWs and a Porsche. But I recognize the arguments existence.
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Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say I chose to ignore the issue, I said I didn't think this thread was an appropriate place to discuss it.marchone wrote:2) It's an issue to a lot of people. You choose to ignore it. As I do. I've owned two VWs and a Porsche. But I recognize the arguments existence.logan2z wrote: 1) I don't object to the Guinault on moral grounds.
2) I wasn't going to get sucked into a pointless discussion about Nazi Germany in a thread about a Rolex homage.
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Alright Andrew and Wayne...................... stop yer bickering and go purchase a Nordic Shield. A real Micro.
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Is the clasp on the bracelet a copy of the Rolex Glidelock?
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Good enough.logan2z wrote:Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say I chose to ignore the issue, I said I didn't think this thread was an appropriate place to discuss it.
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Yes, from what I recall reading it's a straight replica (minus branding, of course).gonzomantis wrote:Is the clasp on the bracelet a copy of the Rolex Glidelock?
Send lawyers, guns and money...
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And isn't the Glidelock patented?hidden by leaves wrote:Yes, from what I recall reading it's a straight replica (minus branding, of course).gonzomantis wrote:Is the clasp on the bracelet a copy of the Rolex Glidelock?
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Good question. If it is Ginault should pay or immediately cease production.
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They like to call them "homages".gonzomantis wrote:Is the clasp on the bracelet a copy of the Rolex Glidelock?
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https://www.google.com/patents/EP1908366A1gonzomantis wrote:And isn't the Glidelock patented?hidden by leaves wrote:Yes, from what I recall reading it's a straight replica (minus branding, of course).gonzomantis wrote:Is the clasp on the bracelet a copy of the Rolex Glidelock?
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That is a smoking gun.
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logan2z wrote:https://www.google.com/patents/EP1908366A1gonzomantis wrote:And isn't the Glidelock patented?hidden by leaves wrote:Yes, from what I recall reading it's a straight replica (minus branding, of course).gonzomantis wrote:Is the clasp on the bracelet a copy of the Rolex Glidelock?
I've seen it used on cheaper homage/knockoff watches before.Seppia wrote:Uh oh
While we might think..oh no, they are dead now, I guarantee it isn't even on Rolex's radar.
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Which brings us back to the entire "Rep" issue.....gonzomantis wrote:And isn't the Glidelock patented?hidden by leaves wrote:Yes, from what I recall reading it's a straight replica (minus branding, of course).gonzomantis wrote:Is the clasp on the bracelet a copy of the Rolex Glidelock?
I don't object to Made in China items because most stuff made there is of very good quality today; see any Apple device, not to mention many "big Swiss" watch parts. Of course, many decent micros including our own member brands (and many of Zacks dancers) are also MIC and are terrific, because we know what we are getting. What I have an issue with is stuff like the fake Glidelock clasp and the complete and total disregard for intellectual property rights in China.
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Watches are entirely an emotional item. Wearing anything like this on my wrist would stir up great, great, negative emotions in my soul.
I'm not judging you, if you're at peace with it. I do some shit that would make you sick to your stomach that I see no issue with.
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oh, this is gonna be goodgreenlightning wrote:. I do some shit that would make you sick to your stomach that I see no issue with.
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While I agree you are correct (reportedly some brand named Tissell makes a sub homage with a glide lock type clasp), the is a danger to Rolex if fails to defend their patent.tattoo chef wrote:logan2z wrote:https://www.google.com/patents/EP1908366A1gonzomantis wrote:And isn't the Glidelock patented?hidden by leaves wrote:Yes, from what I recall reading it's a straight replica (minus branding, of course).gonzomantis wrote:Is the clasp on the bracelet a copy of the Rolex Glidelock?I've seen it used on cheaper homage/knockoff watches before.Seppia wrote:Uh oh
While we might think..oh no, they are dead now, I guarantee it isn't even on Rolex's radar.
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I'm not a lawyer, but my layman's understanding is while patent protection lasts 6 years, a patent owner may not be able to seek damages if they fail to defend their patent after 3 years.
I'm actually surprised the clasp issue took until page 6 to be brought up. I mentioned it in my review and stated it was my biggest point of issue with the watch.
While legal technicalities may allow someone to make a Glidelock copy, my feeling is if Rolex is still producing and driving revenue from the design, it is not ethically proper to copy it.
That said, I don't have a problem with the rest of the watch. To even make this into a 16610 replica you'd have to replace the crystal, dial, hands, crown and case back. By my count, there are many more "homages" which fly closer to the replica line than this one.
It is a "homage" watch. Other than the clasp, I don't see it ethically any worse than any other 5517 homage on the market today.
I've purposesly tried to stay off this thread as any review of this watch seems to devolve into a "homages are OK versus homages suck" discussion. It is what it is.
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Does Rolex sell the Glidelock clasp separately?
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