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Re: Ginault Ocean Rover Thoughts and Comparisons

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Post by foodle » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:35 pm

Ryeguy wrote: It is a simplification of the design.
It doesn't have to be an exact copy to violate the patent. It depends on how the patent claims were written and how good the attorneys are on each side. But just because it's not EXACTLY like the Rolex clasp in every way, doesn't mean that it doesn't violate some of the claims of Rolex's patents.

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Ryeguy wrote:
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The dial has a logo (flower) up top, then the brand name.
Below the brand name is "Kinetic Continuous" which I believe is a poke at "Oyster Perpetual"

Below the pinion is the 4 lines of text meant to mimic a Rolex Sub dial. I can't single Ginault out on this 4 lines of text below the pinion fault though, as Steinhart also seems to have same text issue. Squale has their logo placed there which takes up approximately the same real estate, so it seems a common practice. Even my MM300 uses 4 lines.

I'm more on the minimum text style preference. Model name and depth rating is all that is needed for a dive watch. Heck, depth rating is really just optional too. Probably just a personal opinion thing.
I just noticed (actually it was mentioned in a review and now I can't un-see it), that the Ginault actually completely eradicated the minute markers at the bottom of its dial below the 6 marker - I assume to make room for (more) text. I've seen minute tracks truncated a bit (Rolex, my PO), but can't recall ever seeing someone just do away with them outright for text. If I were interested in one of these it would bug me.
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Re: Ginault Ocean Rover Thoughts and Comparisons

Post by Limeybastard » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:34 am

Least it doesnt state 3000metres on the dial .

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Post by 5661nicholas » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:12 pm

I saw over on WUS that they have already changed the case back saying "made in the USA"

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5661nicholas wrote:I saw over on WUS that they have already changed the case back saying "made in the USA"

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Post by Seppia » Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:48 am

I'll add my first impressions shared on wus here

I will add more photos and expand to a more complete review in the coming days, but I just wanted to put down a couple thoughts on my newly acquired Ginault Ocean Rover.

I had been very skeptical of this brand in the very beginning, mostly for two reasons
One was the "made in USA" claim that seemed unrealistic.
They since corrected it, I hear they also offered replacement case backs to the first buyers (mine personally doesn't say Made In USA) and they publicly apologized for the mistake, so this one is fine for me.
The other one was the potential tie to counterfeiters. They clearly said they have no connection whatsoever, and I believe anybody should be considered innocent until proved otherwise.

The main factors that pushed me to purchase this watch were
1- the almost non existent level of flipping on the sales forum. Of all those who bought one, only one was sold.
This is exceptional for a new offering and I thought it spoke about the quality even more than the raving reviews.
2- the raving reviews
3- the seemingly fanatic haters and the way Ginault ignored them made me like the brand more.
The best one was the guy who was upset he couldn't make a quick profit on a flip because Ginault extended the discount and proceeded to bash the brand for vengeance.

Let's start by saying that quality wise, it's a $1500 watch, easy.


I have owned more than 100 watches, ranging from the $50 Seiko SNK805 to the more expensive Rolex SD16600, so I feel I have enough experience to say this with relative confidence.

The case is super sharp and extremely well finished.

The hands and dial are above Mm300 level quality, which says something.

The crown is beautifully executed, but the bezel action is so so (weakest point of the watch even if the bezel fit is perfect).
I have read that it loosens up a bit with use, so I'll say more about it in a few days, but for now it's a bit "hard".

The bracelet is really great, but a bit squeaky; tolerances are extremely good.

End link fit is second only to Rolex and Tudor among the watches I own(ed). I include my Grand Seiko in this, the Ginault is better.

The timekeeping has been extremely good, gaining approximately 2 seconds per day.

Communications wise, John @ Ginault has been extremely kind, polite and responsive.
A pleasure to deal with.

What I would personally change:

1- Vintage lume. Not too orange but I still don't like it
2- Lug holes!
3- I'd swap the red seconds hand with a silver one.

I have already written to John that if they were to come out with a new model with these characteristics I would definitely buy a second one.

Overall this watch is amazing for $800 ($650 + $50 shipping + Italian customs).
Absolutely no watch I have owned in this price range comes even close to the quality of the Ocean Rover.

I am not hyperboling, it's the best value for money I have ever handled in person by a very significant margin.

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Post by dinexus » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:57 pm

"Hand built in America." They DO realize there's technically more than one "America," right? I also can't stand all the asinine descriptors at 6:00, as though someone just threw a thesaurus at everything on a Submariner's dial and called it good.


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Post by dnslater » Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:36 am

dinexus wrote:
Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:57 pm
"Hand built in America." They DO realize there's technically more than one "America," right? I also can't stand all the asinine descriptors at 6:00, as though someone just threw a thesaurus at everything on a Submariner's dial and called it good.
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They probably absolutely realize it, as this vagueness allows them to make the claim given that they likely don't qualify for "Made in USA".

As far as the 6:00, I agree with you but Rolex is just as bad, and they are trying to "homage" Rolex.

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Post by Ryeguy » Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:56 am

Terms such as "hand built" or "assembled" allow for the use of imported components. "Made in the USA" is a protected term requiring no (or very minimal) imported parts.

I agree on the text, but it such small print it kind of blends in. Macro shots accentuate it beyond what I see in normal wear.

That said, I'd be just as happy to have Ginault delete the bottom two lines. Just model name and depth rating are needed to balance the brand and logo.

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Post by 5661nicholas » Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:15 am

I owned one and sold it so I figured I would chime in. It is extremely well built, dial is amongst the best I have seen. Piss lume, while not for everyone, is well executed, and the "sand" gives it a regal and unique look, was bright and long lasting. All machining on case and bracelet show very tight tolerances. It kept time at +5 spd, and once the bezel broke in it functioned beautifully. From a build quality and components standpoint, it surpassed all micros I have owned. At this point you might be thinking "why the hell did you sell it?"

These comments are not meant as a knock on any owners, and simply reflect my feelings. I wasn't comfortable wearing it, felt like a fake vs. homage. Many people (non wis) mistake various watches for a sub all the time, but 2 people said to me "nice Rolex". It made me feel like a poser.

To me, it comes across to close as a replica vs. a homage.....a fine line. I hope to see the company put this quality into a more unique design, because the attention to detail is really there.




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Post by Ryeguy » Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:36 am

Different strokes for different folks. I 100% agree the build quality is there and style is subjective. Some love Sub homages, some can't stand them.

As an aside, only 2 watches have ever brought me unsolicited comments - my yellow Seiko BFK and my MM300. I guess I don't come across as approachable :shrug:

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Ryeguy wrote:Different strokes for different folks. I 100% agree the build quality is there and style is subjective. Some love Sub homages, some can't stand them.

As an aside, only 2 watches have ever brought me unsolicited comments - my yellow Seiko BFK and my MM300. I guess I don't come across as approachable :shrug:
You must be in the real life BOD.

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Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:08 am

streetracer101 wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:06 am
Ryeguy wrote:Different strokes for different folks. I 100% agree the build quality is there and style is subjective. Some love Sub homages, some can't stand them.

As an aside, only 2 watches have ever brought me unsolicited comments - my yellow Seiko BFK and my MM300. I guess I don't come across as approachable :shrug:
You must be in the real life BOD.

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I've never once had a random person talk to me about a watch outside of a watch salesman. Surprisingly, I come off as unfriendly in person.

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Post by streetracer101 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:14 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
streetracer101 wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:06 am
Ryeguy wrote:Different strokes for different folks. I 100% agree the build quality is there and style is subjective. Some love Sub homages, some can't stand them.

As an aside, only 2 watches have ever brought me unsolicited comments - my yellow Seiko BFK and my MM300. I guess I don't come across as approachable :shrug:
You must be in the real life BOD.

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I've never once had a random person talk to me about a watch outside of a watch salesman. Surprisingly, I come off as unfriendly in person.
No way. Mind blown.

In all fairness, very few people notice my watches and the ones who do are usually douchebags who notice my SDc and comment they also have a Rolex.

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Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:18 am

streetracer101 wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:14 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
streetracer101 wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:06 am
Ryeguy wrote:Different strokes for different folks. I 100% agree the build quality is there and style is subjective. Some love Sub homages, some can't stand them.

As an aside, only 2 watches have ever brought me unsolicited comments - my yellow Seiko BFK and my MM300. I guess I don't come across as approachable :shrug:
You must be in the real life BOD.

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I've never once had a random person talk to me about a watch outside of a watch salesman. Surprisingly, I come off as unfriendly in person.
No way. Mind blown.

In all fairness, very few people notice my watches and the ones who do are usually douchebags who notice my SDc and comment they also have a Rolex.

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I've actually had a few students talk to me about my watches. One guy was a budding WIS and noticed that I had a large rotation of watches. I think the MBA guys tend to notice but not acknowledge since that's "beta".

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Post by streetracer101 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:20 am

JP Chestnut wrote:
streetracer101 wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:14 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
streetracer101 wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:06 am
Ryeguy wrote:Different strokes for different folks. I 100% agree the build quality is there and style is subjective. Some love Sub homages, some can't stand them.

As an aside, only 2 watches have ever brought me unsolicited comments - my yellow Seiko BFK and my MM300. I guess I don't come across as approachable :shrug:
You must be in the real life BOD.

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I've never once had a random person talk to me about a watch outside of a watch salesman. Surprisingly, I come off as unfriendly in person.
No way. Mind blown.

In all fairness, very few people notice my watches and the ones who do are usually douchebags who notice my SDc and comment they also have a Rolex.

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I've actually had a few students talk to me about my watches. One guy was a budding WIS and noticed that I had a large rotation of watches. I think the MBA guys tend to notice but not acknowledge since that's "beta".
I don't know how you guys maintain sanity in the higher education environment.

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Post by JP Chestnut » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:22 am

streetracer101 wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:20 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
streetracer101 wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:14 am
JP Chestnut wrote:
streetracer101 wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:06 am
Ryeguy wrote:Different strokes for different folks. I 100% agree the build quality is there and style is subjective. Some love Sub homages, some can't stand them.

As an aside, only 2 watches have ever brought me unsolicited comments - my yellow Seiko BFK and my MM300. I guess I don't come across as approachable :shrug:
You must be in the real life BOD.

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I've never once had a random person talk to me about a watch outside of a watch salesman. Surprisingly, I come off as unfriendly in person.
No way. Mind blown.

In all fairness, very few people notice my watches and the ones who do are usually douchebags who notice my SDc and comment they also have a Rolex.

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I've actually had a few students talk to me about my watches. One guy was a budding WIS and noticed that I had a large rotation of watches. I think the MBA guys tend to notice but not acknowledge since that's "beta".
I don't know how you guys maintain sanity in the higher education environment.

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Re: Ginault Ocean Rover Thoughts and Comparisons

Post by gwells » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:54 am

i have people ask what watch i'm wearing, but they're mostly coworkers i see in other offices when i'm traveling who happen to follow me on instagram. random people? almost never.

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Post by toxicavenger » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:27 am

Most people I work with are more keen on what abbreviations they have below their name in their signature block than watches.

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Post by marchone » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:34 am

The only time a stranger asked me about my watch he was looking for a Rolex to steal. I had a Seiko SKX173 on that night.
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Post by Axelay2003 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:29 am

I received my package yesterday and just opened it about an hour ago. First impression; DAMN! I'm all about details and like Don mentioned in his written and video review, the quality is "crazy good". As a matter of fact for a start up Micro, it's pretty scary. I agree with Don as it being the best homage out there. I also agree with Andrea's thoughts and really why I purchased this watch.
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Post by alund » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:16 am

I wouldn't mind one as I do like it alot but I just can't bring myself to paying the current non-review price. Who knows if I keep seeing all these comments on it I may change my mind.

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Post by toxicavenger » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:23 am

I can appreciate the quality/details everyone mentions regarding this watch. Now if only they could do it on a design of their own. And if they were original an replica manufacture, I am sure they had all of these details worked out a long time ago.

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