Differences..homages, brands etc, let's discuss.

[matt.wu]

Also, FWIW, I take most of my issue with the companies, not the people who buy the watches.

[JP Chestnut]

^^^ you can get a nice quality, good looking, Seiko for a couple hundred bucks. These homage watches don't make sense to me.

[tattoo chef]

It's not snobbery to think that one brand shouldn't copy another's original design, whether or not the original brand still makes the watch.

I'm like Andrew. I'm not saying everyone needs to buy a Rolex. I understand not everyone can or wants to spend money on a Rolex. But if it were me, and I was looking for an affordable watch, I'd buy one from a small brand doing an original design. You say it's impossible, but AEgir, SAS, and Halios are all doing it just to name a few favorites off the top of our head. The

You may not take issue with the people that buy them, but many do.

And I have always understood both sides of the argument.

And yes, there are quite a few small brands that do original designs, like the ones you mentioned. I would add Visitor Watch Company, Elliot Brown and quite a few others.

But some people want to be able to enjoy the style of a Panerai or Rolex or (insert brand) and can't and can never afford the real thing. Which is why, for me, I see no issue if it's a similar style or very inspired but not a direct clone.

We've had this discussion here before as well...there are so many "brands", using that definition loosely, that keep popping up and it's the same old thing all over again. It doesn't bother me but the market will definitely decide what companies stay and which ones fold. Everybody wants to produce a watch these days and only a few stand out as being original.


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[gwells]

But some people want to be able to enjoy the style of a Panerai or Rolex or (insert brand) and can't and can never afford the real thing. Which is why, for me, I see no issue if it's a similar style or very inspired but not a direct clone.

i think this is pretty much where i sit, for the most part, as well. it's one thing to copy "style" and to make something similar, but may have some of it's own "dna" in it. it's another thing to make essentially the exact same watch, but with your logo in it and probably inferior materials.

and it's why i agreed with andrea's comments about the ginualt, since it seems that may have been a replica brand that swapped the rolex logo out for a "brand" logo.

[sierra11b]

One often neglected and compelling reason aside price point for buying a Super Sub is some people do not want the recognition of a Rolex on their wrist.

I think you got it backwards. After all, people are getting precisely the recognition of a Rolex with a homage of a sub.

Interesting you should think that. On more than one occasion I'd been asked, "Is that a Rolex?", when wearing an SKX or Shogun. When I responded no, interest faded. More to the point a lot of business/sales types I've known don't want the signal a Rolex makes so opt for other watches. Not copies but other Sub-types.

I'll never forget the time my billionaire ex-boss asked if what I was wearing "was another Rolex" when it was an MM300. He loved it at first sight. He asked me to order one for him on the spot and wrote me a check.

[Disc Golfer 209]

Two days in a row wearing a homage.



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[logan2z]

Two days in a row wearing a homage.

[marchone]

One often neglected and compelling reason aside price point for buying a Super Sub is some people do not want the recognition of a Rolex on their wrist.

I think you got it backwards. After all, people are getting precisely the recognition of a Rolex with a homage of a sub.

Interesting you should think that. On more than one occasion I'd been asked, "Is that a Rolex?", when wearing an SKX or Shogun. When I responded no, interest faded. More to the point a lot of business/sales types I've known don't want the signal a Rolex makes so opt for other watches. Not copies but other Sub-types.

I'll never forget the time my billionaire ex-boss asked if what I was wearing "was another Rolex" when it was an MM300. He loved it at first sight. He asked me to order one for him on the spot and wrote me a check.

You make my point. The MM300 is another Sub derivative. A good one but nonetheless still.

[matt.wu]

I don't consider the MM300 a sub homage.

[andrema]

The MM300 is a homage to the 6159. Those lazy bastards


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[dukerules]

One often neglected and compelling reason aside price point for buying a Super Sub is some people do not want the recognition of a Rolex on their wrist.

I think you got it backwards. After all, people are getting precisely the recognition of a Rolex with a homage of a sub.

Yep.

[dukerules]

Btw, not sure what a "Super" Sub is. To me, an actual Submariner is the superest Sub there is.

[JP Chestnut]

I don't consider the MM300 a sub homage.

The MM300 is less of a Sub homage than the Sub is a BPFF homage. There's a big difference between black bezel/dial dive watches all looking similar, and a blatant Sub copy.

[toxicavenger]

This discussion is like poontang, what smells/taste fresh to me might stink to you. So I buy what I like and what I want. Screw everyone else.

[1954Selmer]

Terry... I loved your analogy and it made me laugh.

[logan2z]

Btw, not sure what a "Super" Sub is.

I thought it was this:

[1954Selmer]

I just tinkled, so I'll need to have mesh sugicaly implanted.

[dnslater]

The MM300 is a homage to the 6159. Those lazy bastards


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Yeah, Seiko's first dive watch was released in 1965, 12 years after the first FF and 10 years after the first Sub. The 6215 which the MM300 homages came out in 1967 and was a unique design, with a one piece case, raised gold markers and a 4 o'clock crown. Perhaps the dial layout was influenced by Rolex but I don't think Rolex went to raised markers until the early 80's and didn't raise their WR to 300M until the 70's.

Creation of the Quartz movement and the Tuna further demonstrated that Seiko had little interest in following the Swiss.

[marchone]

I would argue the round markers are the most important part of the iconic design. You don't see an Oyster case or a monocoque one either. They see a black bezel with white numbers and round dial markers.

[dnslater]

I would argue the round markers are the most important part of the iconic design. You don't see an Oyster case or a monocoque one either. They see a black bezel with white numbers and round dial markers.

Yes, Rolex nailed it with their initial dial design.

[jimyritz]

It's not snobbery to think that one brand shouldn't copy another's original design, whether or not the original brand still makes the watch.

I'm like Andrew. I'm not saying everyone needs to buy a Rolex. I understand not everyone can or wants to spend money on a Rolex. But if it were me, and I was looking for an affordable watch, I'd buy one from a small brand doing an original design. You say it's impossible, but AEgir, SAS, and Halios are all doing it just to name a few favorites off the top of our head. The

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Yup..nailed it Matt...

[andy tims]

The Steinhart sub and explorer homages are decent enough watches and IMHO a far better choice for someone who wants the look of a Rolex but doesn't have the cash than a fake.
That said, I much prefer the real deal.

Does this count as a homage?



If yes, then it's one I'm happy to own.

[HapaHapa]

So is my Tortuga a Zodiac super sea wolf homage?

[dnslater]

So is my Tortuga a Zodiac super sea wolf homage?

Possibly, although there were others that used similar case styles - no idea who was first.

[demer03]

^^like that Dacor^^