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Post by JDC222 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:57 pm

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Post by Chocodove » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:59 pm

The guy apparently came in from Alaska, though.
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Post by JDC222 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:01 pm

Just saw that...26yr old Esteban Santiago,from NJ.
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Post by poppydog » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:01 pm

Truly awful; prayers for the victims. From what it says on the BBC it sounds as though it was planned.
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Post by Chocodove » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:07 pm

Reports are that he arrived in FL with a legally checked gun, picked up his bag, went to the bathroom to load, and came out. National Guard member as well.

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Post by 59yukon01 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:09 pm

You can check a gun onto a plane??? Thought only law enforcement could do that.

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Post by Chocodove » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:11 pm

59yukon01 wrote:You can check a gun onto a plane??? Thought only law enforcement could do that.
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting ... ammunition
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Post by rockmastermike » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:26 pm

Chocodove wrote:
59yukon01 wrote:You can check a gun onto a plane??? Thought only law enforcement could do that.
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting ... ammunition
probably not anymore after this.
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Post by Danny_T » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:13 pm

It was confirmed there was no Canadian connection to this incident. Just can't believe something like this can happen with all the so called 'stepped up security measures'. Doesn't inspire confidence in the system.

Prayers to the families affected by this unnecessary and disgusting ordeal.
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Post by r.palace » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:56 pm

Was there just 5 days ago. Truly a tragedy and I hope this animal gets what he deserves
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Post by JDC222 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:25 pm

r.palace wrote:Was there just 5 days ago. Truly a tragedy and I hope this animal gets what he deserves
...which should have been multiple rounds.
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Post by ericf4 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:36 pm

rockmastermike wrote:
Chocodove wrote:
59yukon01 wrote:You can check a gun onto a plane??? Thought only law enforcement could do that.
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting ... ammunition
probably not anymore after this.
I am very sad for the families
Good. No need for guns on a plane IMO.

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Post by Sidheguitarist » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:27 pm

ericf4 wrote: Good. No need for guns on a plane IMO.
Checked as baggage in the cargo hold? What if someone needs one where they are going?
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Post by r.palace » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:28 pm

JDC222 wrote:
r.palace wrote:Was there just 5 days ago. Truly a tragedy and I hope this animal gets what he deserves
...which should have been multiple rounds.
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ericf4 wrote: Good. No need for guns on a plane IMO.
Checked as baggage in the cargo hold? What if someone needs one where they are going?
Agreed. Only reason I didn't bring mine to Mass. was lack of reciprocity for my CCL
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Post by Axelay2003 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:40 pm

Sidheguitarist wrote:
ericf4 wrote: Good. No need for guns on a plane IMO.
Checked as baggage in the cargo hold? What if someone needs one where they are going?
Exactly. What if you are a hunter?

My wife actually suggested a good idea.

Passengers who need to transport guns/weapons should follow the guidelines as usual but instead of the checked luggages with weapons going through normal baggage claim belt area, those luggages should go through a different belt with security guards/TSA checking off and handing the said luggages directly to the owners.
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Post by ericf4 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:48 pm

Sidheguitarist wrote:
ericf4 wrote: Good. No need for guns on a plane IMO.
Checked as baggage in the cargo hold? What if someone needs one where they are going?
Fuck who knows.

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Post by sierra11b » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:51 pm

IF they still allow checked weapons there will be a no ammo policy. Pick up your ammo en route to your grizzly hunt. Airlines will tell flyers to take it or leave it.

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Post by Axelay2003 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:56 pm

sierra11b wrote:IF they still allow checked weapons there will be a no ammo policy. Pick up your ammo en route to your grizzly hunt. Airlines will tell flyers to take it or leave it.
That too, but what if there are no ammos sold at your destination?
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Post by andrema » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:14 pm

Axelay2003 wrote:
sierra11b wrote:IF they still allow checked weapons there will be a no ammo policy. Pick up your ammo en route to your grizzly hunt. Airlines will tell flyers to take it or leave it.
That too, but what if there are no ammos sold at your destination?
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Post by jimyritz » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:18 pm

the guy had the gun in his bag went into the rest room and came out firing in the baggage claim area.

Supposedly there was an incident on the plane (Alaska to Ft Lauderdale)...

Been to that airport hundreds of times... the rest room is at one end of the floor...

Scary stuff---


p.s. you can travel with a gun in your bag if you are military?

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Post by toxicavenger » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:04 pm

jimyritz wrote:you can travel with a gun in your bag if you are military?
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Post by jimyritz » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:28 pm

toxicavenger wrote:
jimyritz wrote:you can travel with a gun in your bag if you are military?
no
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Thanks---you check the bag and the gun has to be in a hard case---that's what they said on TV...
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the guy emptied 2 clips and then got down on the floor spread eagle and waited..

Didn't seem like any security was in the baggage claim area..

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Post by 5661nicholas » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:29 pm

Thoughts and prayers with the families of the loved ones. You just never know anymore....


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Post by Sidheguitarist » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:30 pm

The reality is there is nothing to stop someone from just walking into the baggage claim from the outside of most regional airports and doing the same thing this guy just did.

And TSA doing anything to stop any of it is wishful thinking. The holes in TSA screening–both in action, and of the employees themselves–are proven.

ETA: https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting ... ammunition (sorry chocodove)

The declaration tag, by law, goes on the outside of the locked firearm case, but inside the checked bag. The deal with the locked box inside checked luggage has to do with preventing theft by air industry employees, not stopping terror.

Sucks, but this is no different than a nightclub shooting, or a college campus shooting. Freak with a beef; lots of fish in a barrel.
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Post by deepcdvr » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:45 pm

I never understood the attraction to airports; we spend an unbelievable amount of money making them hard targets. Your average mall on a weekend or any big city metro station has considerably more targets and are typically not well protected.

Hope the survivors can get on with their lives relatively soon. Being exposed to trauma like this is life changing.
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