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Non-functional HEV

Post by Jcp311 » Mon May 19, 2014 4:01 pm

Has anybody heard of boutique divers using (perhaps unknowingly) non-functional/ fake HEV's? There's some guy over on WUS who says he discovered the HEV on one of his boutique divers was missing a spring, or something. He claims this lead to the WR being compromised.

Any thought? Suspects?

He hasn't said which brand it was, but I have my suspicions.
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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by Torrid » Mon May 19, 2014 4:07 pm

I've heard of that, but never heard of them missing springs, just that they are "dummy" ones which is false advertising.

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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by hoppyjr » Mon May 19, 2014 4:52 pm

I recall Shane DeLaurian having a boutique watch and discovering a fake HEV. He didn't want to "out" the brand because he liked they guy or something like that. I think the mods locked it down.

Another reason to only deal with reputable micros (like our fellas here).

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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by CGSshorty » Mon May 19, 2014 4:56 pm

hoppyjr wrote:I recall Shane DeLaurian having a boutique watch and discovering a fake HEV. He didn't want to "out" the brand because he liked they guy or something like that. I think the mods locked it down.

Another reason to only deal with reputable micros (like our fellas here).
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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by Jeep99dad » Mon May 19, 2014 5:18 pm

Yeah was it the Enzo Mecasomething?
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Post by CGSshorty » Mon May 19, 2014 5:20 pm

Jeep99dad wrote:Yeah was it the Enzo Mecasonething?
Sounds right.
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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by dnslater » Mon May 19, 2014 5:43 pm

Guessing Fullswing or other catalogue companies could use them and nobody would ever know otherwise. Has anybody seriously ever saturation dived with a catalogue case micro?

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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by hoppyjr » Mon May 19, 2014 5:49 pm

I find HEV's worthless for the 99.9% of people, even divers. I'd much prefer if most dive watches (think any Omega) eliminated them.

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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by Jeep99dad » Mon May 19, 2014 5:52 pm

I prefer to buy watches without HEV.
Fewer parts = fewer chances of issues. Simple is better.
Plus I have no use for it
And HEV often means very high WR which also translates into unecessary case thickness which I don't like most of the time
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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by Jcp311 » Mon May 19, 2014 5:57 pm

Are HEV's useless? Mostly...I've seen blog posts here and there about mixed gas surface diving becoming more "popular." I doubt however that even among rec divers it will ever become a thing.

That said if a dive watch micro or not has an HEV it should work.
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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by Panerai7 » Mon May 19, 2014 6:02 pm

Jeep99dad wrote:I prefer to buy watches without HEV.
Fewer parts = fewer chances of issues. Simple is better.
Plus I have no use for it
And HEV often means very high WR which also translates into unecessary case thickness which I don't like most of the time
It only took you 8 Pelagos to figure this out.
Good job :lol:

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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by hoppyjr » Mon May 19, 2014 6:03 pm

I agree, if a watch has a valve it ought to work.

I'd think mixed gas diving wouldn't require the use of an HEV, unless the diver was really deep and spending time in a bell - but I'm no expert.

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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by Chocodove » Mon May 19, 2014 6:03 pm

I'd love to know the pressure testing standards for a lot of the micros as well. Some I wouldn't question, like SAS and Aegir, but some of the others...

Not that I'd ever need it, but I see it as false advertising if the testing isn't legit.
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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by hoppyjr » Mon May 19, 2014 6:03 pm

Panerai7 wrote:
Jeep99dad wrote:I prefer to buy watches without HEV.
Fewer parts = fewer chances of issues. Simple is better.
Plus I have no use for it
And HEV often means very high WR which also translates into unecessary case thickness which I don't like most of the time
It only took you 8 Pelagos to figure this out.
Good job :lol:
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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by Terpits » Mon May 19, 2014 6:14 pm

Panerai7 wrote:
Jeep99dad wrote:I prefer to buy watches without HEV.
Fewer parts = fewer chances of issues. Simple is better.
Plus I have no use for it
And HEV often means very high WR which also translates into unecessary case thickness which I don't like most of the time
It only took you 8 Pelagos to figure this out.
Good job :lol:
Is that what's on the Pelagos?
Whoa. Useless piece of shit.
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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by hoppyjr » Mon May 19, 2014 6:17 pm

Terpits wrote:
Panerai7 wrote:
Jeep99dad wrote:I prefer to buy watches without HEV.
Fewer parts = fewer chances of issues. Simple is better.
Plus I have no use for it
And HEV often means very high WR which also translates into unecessary case thickness which I don't like most of the time
It only took you 8 Pelagos to figure this out.
Good job :lol:
Is that what's on the Pelagos?
Whoa. Useless piece of shit.
:lol:

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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by serdal22 » Mon May 19, 2014 6:17 pm

I also always wonder about HEV and / or HRV function. Some of them automatically work, and some of them need to be activated by turning the crown, if I am not mistaken. And I don't think many divers really ever dive that deep.

I totally agree, less parts and functions, less possibility of malfunctions.

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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by Jcp311 » Mon May 19, 2014 6:28 pm

Here's the original post

"When I said ''most watches'' I should have said many micro brand watches. Water infiltrated 2 watches from the same boutique brand. Upon opening and inspecting the HV and gasket had a poor fit, letting water and forming condensation inside the watch. I also found that the HV had no spring to ensure the valve returns to it's initial position, therefore if it would need to release from a he buildup, it would not have returned. As for high end watches testing their HV, just do a google search and you will find the info on the tests performed…Finally rolex and omega, I don't think any explaining is needed, you probably already know their history regarding their HV performance."


If I ever found out my boutique divers with hev's were just for show I'd sell them tomorrow. :cussing:

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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by dukerules » Mon May 19, 2014 6:34 pm

I don't know about you guys, but I find an HEV indispensable.

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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by hoppyjr » Mon May 19, 2014 6:48 pm

dukerules wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I find an HEV indispensable.
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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by serdal22 » Mon May 19, 2014 7:04 pm

hoppyjr wrote:
dukerules wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I find an HEV indispensable.
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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by foodle » Mon May 19, 2014 7:16 pm

Jcp311 wrote: If I ever found out my boutique divers with hev's were just for show I'd sell them tomorrow. :cussing:
:roll: For 99.999% of buyers the HEV is for show whether it works or not.

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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by JP Chestnut » Mon May 19, 2014 7:27 pm

hoppyjr wrote:I find HEV's worthless for the 99.9% of people, even divers. I'd much prefer if most dive watches (think any Omega) eliminated them.
They're mostly fine on a Rolex, and totally ugly on an Omega. The manual wart implementation is horrid IMO.

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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by Jeep99dad » Mon May 19, 2014 7:29 pm

Panerai7 wrote:
Jeep99dad wrote:I prefer to buy watches without HEV.
Fewer parts = fewer chances of issues. Simple is better.
Plus I have no use for it
And HEV often means very high WR which also translates into unecessary case thickness which I don't like most of the time
It only took you 8 Pelagos to figure this out.
Good job :lol:
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Re: Non-functional HEV

Post by Jcp311 » Mon May 19, 2014 7:42 pm

foodle wrote:
Jcp311 wrote: If I ever found out my boutique divers with hev's were just for show I'd sell them tomorrow. :cussing:
:roll: For 99.999% of buyers the HEV is for show whether it works or not.
Point taken, but the principle remains. Don't lie to me about what I'm buying.
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