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Caution on this eBay Kobold

Post by streetracer101 » Mon May 06, 2013 5:52 pm

I was contacted by a member today who somehow heard through the grapevine that I had purchased this Kobold SMG: http://www.ebay.com/itm/KOBOLD-SMG-1-Wa ... 3a80ca01a4
Well, I wasn't planning on posting about it, but to save the dissatisfaction and return shipping that I suffered, here you go.

Let me start by saying I am anal retentive when it comes to watches. Having said that, I am reasonable when it comes to value. If a watch is $500-1000, I am not going to be as critical as a watch that is $2500, or one with a retail of $5500.

I bought this watch because it seemed like a great deal. Hell, a 3 week old SMG for less then $2500..sign me up. I figured even if I didn't bond with it, I could easily flip it for a few hundred profit...not so fast.
When all watches arrive, the first thing I check is bezel action. This one had the worst bezel action of any watch I've owned. It was so loose I could practically flick it and watch it turn. It had over a second of play. Not a good start.
Then I put the watch on my wrist. As I did so, I noticed that something was off. I looked closely at the bracelet and end links and noticed that the bracelet was actually rubbing against the case..not just a little rubbing - enough to remove small indents of metal on the case and also made corresponding grooves into the bracelet.
At this point, I also noticed that one of the end links were firm and the other flexed back and forth about 1mm.like what you'd see in a watch with the wrong springbars.
Then I checked the crown. The crown only turned apx 1 full turn. I realize that Kobold would probably state this is normal, but considering most of my Kobolds get 3-4 turns, I think they "should" get 3-4 turns, but crappy quality control "allows" for 1 full turn.
I finally started thinking maybe I was being overly critical. I went ahead and removed the bracelet to see how it would work on zuli. At this point I removed the end links and my disappointment grew to rage. One endlink came right out when the screwbar came out (on the side that had 1mm play), but the other endlink was stuck. I actually had to use a small rubber mallet to knock out that endlink, and at that point I noticed why the endlink didn't have play and was tough to remove..the screwbar was totally warped.
In addition to this, the endlinks looked like shit. A 5 yr old with some sand paper could've finished them better than they were.

Needless to say, the watch was boxed up and returned. I mentioned all the issues to the seller, who then relisted it and omitted them in his listing :smack:

I am a fan of Kobold watches, but this watch was a shit show. I realize it wasn't new, but it was only 3 weeks old when I received it. The previous owner paid around $4000 for it. Most WIS's would've been pissed at any price-point, but at a Rolex price-point MSRP this was just a joke. The watch wasn't worth more than $500-1000 imo. Since pics speak louder then words..here are some. Buy with caution. You've all been warned.
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You can see how warped the screwbar was in this pic:
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Pic showing the grooves cut into the bracelet. Actually looks better in this pic then in person:
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Check out this fine artisan like finishing on the endlinks:
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Not mentioned in the post above..when side by side, both end links were different. They were not mirror images..as if they'd been made by hand with no respect to the watch.
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Sloppy bezel..this much movement without a click to the next second:
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Re: Caution on this eBay Kobold

Post by CGSshorty » Mon May 06, 2013 5:56 pm

What a shame what has become of this company. Hoppy sent his back immediately because of the bezel.
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Post by marchone » Mon May 06, 2013 5:58 pm

Wow.
only accurate watches are interesting

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Post by toxicavenger » Mon May 06, 2013 6:12 pm

hollywood stars don't care about that kind of stuff

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Post by Jeep99dad » Mon May 06, 2013 6:19 pm

Wow. I had a seal and the inverted triangle was tilted to one side! :(
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Post by jad3703 » Mon May 06, 2013 6:19 pm

This is the sad, slow and painful fall of a once very good micro brand.

Goes to show that if you forget / ignore the fundamentals, things will eventually fall to shit irrespective of who you have schilling for you.

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Post by Dedalus » Mon May 06, 2013 6:24 pm

Shockingly bad at that price-point. :naughty:

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Post by CGSshorty » Mon May 06, 2013 6:26 pm

Dedalus wrote:Shockingly bad at that price-point. :naughty:
Shockingly bad at any price point. My Dievas Focal is nearly perfect, with the exception of an ever so slightly misaligned bezel.
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Post by bottom of the ninth » Mon May 06, 2013 6:37 pm

Total shit show...I love Kobold but they have just lost it! If you have a good one hold on to it!
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Post by bottom of the ninth » Mon May 06, 2013 6:40 pm

CGSshorty wrote:
Dedalus wrote:Shockingly bad at that price-point. :naughty:
Shockingly bad at any price point. My Dievas Focal is nearly perfect, with the exception of an ever so slightly misaligned bezel.
My Focal lost it's PIP and Anders sent a new bezel insert no charge after two years of wearing it! I have never heard of Kobold doing anything for free...
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Post by demer03 » Mon May 06, 2013 6:41 pm

Hey, it's hand crafted Sherpa goodness....

(Trying here, fellas)
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Post by zepp21 » Mon May 06, 2013 6:47 pm

demer03 wrote:Hey, it's hand crafted Sherpa goodness....

(Trying here, fellas)
Try again. No excuse for this...even from a Chinese made Doxa :banplz:

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Re: Caution on this eBay Kobold

Post by kfalk » Mon May 06, 2013 7:47 pm

Wow. That is simply atrocious. Wonder why the original purchaser didn't send it straight back to Kobold? Should have never made it through the Invicta-esque QC.
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Post by streetracer101 » Mon May 06, 2013 7:53 pm

kfalk wrote:Wow. That is simply atrocious. Wonder why the original purchaser didn't send it straight back to Kobold? Should have never made it through the Invicta-esque QC.
ironically, he picked it up in person and said he didn't notice anything wrong with it :shrug:
to be an ignorant watch buyer again..would save me lots of headaches

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Re: Caution on this eBay Kobold

Post by kfalk » Mon May 06, 2013 8:05 pm

streetracer101 wrote:
kfalk wrote:Wow. That is simply atrocious. Wonder why the original purchaser didn't send it straight back to Kobold? Should have never made it through the Invicta-esque QC.
ironically, he picked it up in person and said he didn't notice anything wrong with it :shrug:
to be an ignorant watch buyer again..would save me lots of headaches
Ignorance is bliss. :raised:
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Post by mattcantwin » Mon May 06, 2013 8:15 pm

kfalk wrote:
streetracer101 wrote:
kfalk wrote:Wow. That is simply atrocious. Wonder why the original purchaser didn't send it straight back to Kobold? Should have never made it through the Invicta-esque QC.
ironically, he picked it up in person and said he didn't notice anything wrong with it :shrug:
to be an ignorant watch buyer again..would save me lots of headaches
Ignorance is bliss. :raised:
...and buys Invictas!
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Post by hoppyjr » Mon May 06, 2013 8:21 pm

It's really unfortunate what Kobold has become. It's almost as if MK got big enough to have the time & money to go on his adventures and left the company in the hands of employees - and they don't care about quality like MK once did. Damn shame.


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Post by tmw » Mon May 06, 2013 8:30 pm

Thanks rob...I have to say I was the one interested as I do like the smgs. I saw that the seller relisted and then saw rob leave feedback and then reached out to rob.

Rob saved me lots of headaches.

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Post by Dedalus » Mon May 06, 2013 8:45 pm

CGSshorty wrote:
Dedalus wrote:Shockingly bad at that price-point. :naughty:
Shockingly bad at any price point. My Dievas Focal is nearly perfect, with the exception of an ever so slightly misaligned bezel.
Yeah, good point. The finishing on my budget-priced Orient cal. 469 is pretty flawless. :shrug:

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Re: Caution on this eBay Kobold

Post by streetracer101 » Mon May 06, 2013 8:47 pm

tmw wrote:Thanks rob...I have to say I was the one interested as I do like the smgs. I saw that the seller relisted and then saw rob leave feedback and then reached out to rob.

Rob saved me lots of headaches.

Dwc rules.
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Post by hoppyjr » Tue May 07, 2013 1:43 am

Reminds me of what my Dad used to say when we worked in the yard and I started slacking like kids to; "show a little give-a-shit son!" Kobold has a great thing with the Made in the USA on some products, but they're pissing it away with poor quality control. Hey, Mike Kobold, show a little give-a-shit!

Thanks again for posting this Rob :thumbsup:

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Post by demer03 » Tue May 07, 2013 2:58 am

zepp21 wrote:
demer03 wrote:Hey, it's hand crafted Sherpa goodness....

(Trying here, fellas)
Try again. No excuse for this...even from a Chinese made Doxa :banplz:
Look at the sig, baby....pure Swiss history.
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Post by toxicavenger » Tue May 07, 2013 4:58 am

demer03 wrote:
zepp21 wrote:
demer03 wrote:Hey, it's hand crafted Sherpa goodness....

(Trying here, fellas)
Try again. No excuse for this...even from a Chinese made Doxa :banplz:
Look at the sig, baby....pure Swiss history.
I don't think he said that directly to you. :thumbsup: You are just use to the banter I think. :think: :bananastoner:

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Re: Caution on this eBay Kobold

Post by zepp21 » Tue May 07, 2013 5:02 am

toxicavenger wrote:
demer03 wrote:
zepp21 wrote:
demer03 wrote:Hey, it's hand crafted Sherpa goodness....

(Trying here, fellas)
Try again. No excuse for this...even from a Chinese made Doxa :banplz:
Look at the sig, baby....pure Swiss history.
I don't think he said that directly to you. :thumbsup: You are just use to the banter I think. :think: :bananastoner:
:thumbsup:

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Re: Caution on this eBay Kobold

Post by demer03 » Tue May 07, 2013 5:31 am

zepp21 wrote:
toxicavenger wrote:
demer03 wrote:
zepp21 wrote:
demer03 wrote:Hey, it's hand crafted Sherpa goodness....

(Trying here, fellas)
Try again. No excuse for this...even from a Chinese made Doxa :banplz:
Look at the sig, baby....pure Swiss history.
I don't think he said that directly to you. :thumbsup: You are just use to the banter I think. :think: :bananastoner:
:thumbsup:
It's just fun to bitch-slap the kid once and a while :grin:

Besides, that's been long debunked, but dipshits (others, not you) keep perpetuating it....including putting it in their signatures.
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